{"id":1878,"date":"2013-07-13T01:38:03","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:38:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=1878"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:38:03","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:38:03","slug":"24-i-the-colloquy-of-indra-and-agastya-vol-15-the-secret-of-veda","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/01-works-of-sri-aurobindo\/03-cwsa\/15-the-secret-of-veda\/24-i-the-colloquy-of-indra-and-agastya-vol-15-the-secret-of-veda","title":{"rendered":"-24_I The Colloquy of Indra and Agastya.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"
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\nPart Two <\/font><\/b>
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\nSelected Hymns<\/font><\/b><\/span><\/p>\n

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\nAuthor’s Note <\/font><\/b>
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\nThese translations are offered here only in their results
\nfor the interest of the general reader and as an illustration of the theory advanced. Their philological and critical
\njustification would be interesting only to a limited circle. A few indications, however, may at a later stage be given
\nwhich will illustrate the method.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\nI <\/b>
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\nThe Colloquy of Indra and Agastya
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\nRig Veda I.170 <\/b>
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\nIndra<\/i> <\/b>
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\n1. It is not now, nor is It tomorrow; who knoweth that which is Supreme and Wonderful? It has motion and action in the
\nconsciousness of another, but when It is approached by the thought, It vanishes.
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\nAgastya<\/i><\/b>
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\n2. Why dost thou seek to smite us, O Indra? The Maruts are
\nthy brothers. By them accomplish perfection; slay us not in our struggle.
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\nIndra<\/i> <\/b>
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\n3. Why, O my brother Agastya, art thou my friend, yet settest
\nthy thought beyond me? For well do I know how to us thou willest not to give thy mind.
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4. Let them make ready the altar, let them set Agni in blaze in front. It is there, the awakening of the consciousness
\nto Immortality. Let us two extend for thee thy effective sacrifice.
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Agastya<\/i><\/b>
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5. O Lord of substance over all substances of being, thou art
\nthe master in force! O Lord of Love over the powers of love, thou art the strongest to hold in status! Do thou, O
\nIndra, agree with the Maruts, then enjoy the offerings in the ordered method of the Truth.
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COMMENTARY <\/b>
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The governing idea of the hymn belongs to a stage of spiritual
\nprogress when the human soul wishes by the sheer force of Thought to hasten forward beyond in order to reach prematurely
\nthe source of all things without full development of the being in all its progressive stages of conscious activity. The effort is
\nopposed by the Gods who preside over the universe of man and of the world and a violent struggle takes place in the human consciousness between the individual soul in its egoistic eagerness and the universal Powers which seek to fulfil the divine purpose
\nof the Cosmos. <\/span> <\/p>\n

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The seer Agastya at such a moment confronts in his inner
\nexperience Indra, Lord of Swar, the realm of pure intelligence, through which the ascending soul passes into the divine Truth.
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Indra speaks first of that unknowable Source of things towards which Agastya is too impatiently striving. That is not
\nto be found in Time. It does not exist in the actualities of the present, nor in the eventualities of the future. It neither is now
\nnor becomes hereafter. Its being is beyond Space and Time and therefore in Itself cannot be known by that which is in Space
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\nand Time. It manifests Itself by Its forms and activities in the consciousness of that which is not Itself and through those activities it is meant that It should be realised. But if one tries to approach It and study It in Itself, It disappears from the thought
\nthat would seize It and is as if It were not. <\/span> <\/p>\n

\nAgastya still does not understand why he is so violently
\nopposed in a pursuit which is the eventual aim of all being and which all his thoughts and feelings demand. The Maruts
\nare the powers of Thought which by the strong and apparently destructive motion of their progress break down that which is
\nestablished and help to the attainment of new formations. Indra, the Power of pure Intelligence, is their brother, kin to them in
\nhis nature although elder in being. He should by their means effect the perfection towards which Agastya is striving and not
\nturn enemy nor slay his friend in this terrible struggle towards the goal.
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\nIndra replies that Agastya is his friend and brother, —brother in the soul as children of one Supreme Being, friend as
\ncomrades in a common effort and one in the divine love that unites God and man,
\n\t\t\t—and by this friendship and alliance has
\nattained to the present stage in his progressive perfection; but now he treats Indra as an inferior Power and wishes to go beyond
\nwithout fulfilling himself in the domain of the God. He seeks to divert his increased thought-powers towards his own object
\ninstead of delivering them up to the universal Intelligence so that it may enrich its realisations in humanity through Agastya
\nand lead him forward by the way of the Truth. Let the egoistic endeavour cease, the great sacrifice be resumed, the flame of
\nthe divine Force, Agni, be kindled in front as head of the sacrifice and leader of the march. Indra and Agastya together,
\nthe universal Power and the human soul, will extend in harmony the effective inner action on the plane of the pure Intelligence
\nso that it may enrich itself there and attain beyond. For it is precisely by the progressive surrender of the lower being to the
\ndivine activities that the limited and egoistic consciousness of the mortal awakens to the infinite and immortal state which is
\nits goal.  <\/span><\/p>\n

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Agastya accepts the will of the God and submits. He agrees to perceive and fulfil the Supreme in the activities of Indra.
\nFrom his own realm Indra is supreme lord over the substances of being as manifested through the triple world of mind, life
\nand body and has therefore power to dispose of its formations towards the fulfilment, in the movement of Nature, of the divine
\nTruth that expresses itself in the universe, —supreme lord over love and delight manifested in the same triple world and has
\ntherefore power to fix those formations harmoniously in the status of Nature. Agastya gives up all that is realised in him into
\nthe hands of Indra, as offerings of the sacrifice, to be held by him in the fixed parts of Agastya’s consciousness and directed
\nin the motional towards fresh formations. Indra is once more to enter into friendly parley with the upward aspiring powers
\nof Agastya’s being and to establish agreement between the seer’s thoughts and the illumination that comes to us through the
\npure Intelligence. That power will then enjoy in Agastya the offerings of the sacrifice according to the right order of things
\nas formulated and governed by the Truth which is beyond.  
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