{"id":2955,"date":"2013-07-13T01:44:52","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:44:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=2955"},"modified":"2013-12-03T20:25:31","modified_gmt":"2013-12-04T04:25:31","slug":"30-on-entretiens-avec-la-mere-vol-32-the-mother-with-letters-on-the-mother","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/01-works-of-sri-aurobindo\/03-cwsa\/32-the-mother-with-letters-on-the-mother\/30-on-entretiens-avec-la-mere-vol-32-the-mother-with-letters-on-the-mother","title":{"rendered":"-30_On Entretiens avec la M\u00e8re.html"},"content":{"rendered":"
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\n
\nOn Entretiens avec la M<\/font><\/b><\/span>\u00e8<\/font><\/b>re <\/font><\/b>
\n\t<\/span><\/p>\n

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\n\t
\n\tComments on Specific
\n\tEntretiens<\/i>1<\/sup><\/a><\/b><\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\tIn Entretiens <\/i>the Mother says: "M<\/i>\u00ea<\/font>me
\n\tceux qui ont la volont<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>
\n te,<\/i>
\n de s’enfuir <\/i>[du monde<\/i>], quand ils arrivent de l’autre c<\/i>\u00f4<\/font>t<\/i><\/span>\u00e9
\n\t<\/font> peuvent trouver que la fuite ne sert pas <\/i>
\n\t<\/span>\u00e0<\/font> grand
\n\t\u2014chose apr<\/i><\/span>\u00e8<\/font>s<\/i>
\n\t \u00b4<\/i>
\ntout<\/i>" [p. 28<\/i>]. What does "arrivent de l’autre c<\/i>\u00f4<\/font>t<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>"
\n\tmean? Does it mean "when they come into
\nthis <\/i>world" or "when they go into the world of silence which they
\n\trealised"?<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\tNo  \u2014"arrivent de l’autre cote<\/i>" simply means
\n\t"when they die". What Mother intended was that when they actually arrive at
\n\ttheir Nirvana they find it is not the ultimate solution or largest
\n\trealisation of the Supreme and they must eventually come back and have their
\n\tshare of the world action to reach that largest realisation.
\n\t<\/span> <\/p>\n

\n2 May 1935 <\/span> <\/p>\n

\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\t*<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\tThe Mother says in Entretiens<\/i>: "En fait, la
\n\tmort a <\/i>
\n\t<\/span>\u00e9<\/font>t<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>
\n\tat \u2014<\/i>
\n\ttach<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>e <\/i>
\n\t<\/span>\u00e0<\/font> toute vie
\n\tsur terre<\/i>" [p. 41<\/i>]. The words "En fait<\/i>" and "attach<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>e<\/i>"
\n\ttend to give the impression that after all death is inevitable. But the
\n\tpreceding sentence ("Si cette croyance<\/i> <\/p>\n

pouvait \u00eatre rejet<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>e,
\n\td’abord de la mentalite consciente, . . . la<\/i>
\nmort ne serait plus in<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>vitable<\/i>")
\n\tbrings in an ambiguity because it does not make death so inevitable; it
\n\tintroduces a condition, an "if" by which death could be avoided. But the
\n\tcategoricality of the sentence with "En fait<\/i>" rather decreases one’s
\n\texpectation of a material immortality. Moreover, the "if" in the other
\n\tsentence is too formidable to be satisfied.<\/span><\/p>\n

\n\tThere is no ambiguity that I can see. "En fait<\/i>"
\n\tand "attach<\/i><\/span>\u00e9<\/font>e<\/i>"
\n\tdo not convey any sense of inevitability. "En fait<\/i>" means simply
\n\t<\/span> <\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\t
\n\t1 Entretiens avec la Mere
\nis the Mother’s translation of her conversations of 1929,<\/i>
\nwhich were spoken in English. This translation is now published as the first
\n\tpart of<\/i>
\n\tEntretiens 1929 \u00ad 1931 (Pondicherry: Sri Aurobindo Ashram, 1994). The
\n\tpage numbers<\/i>
\ngiven after the quoted passages in this subsection refer to the 1994 edition. 
\n\t\u2014Ed.<\/i> <\/font><\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n
\nPage <\/font>\u2013 623<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n

\n

\n

\nthat in fact, actually, as things are at present all life (on
\nearth) has death attached to it as its end; but it does not in the least convey
\nthe idea that it can never be otherwise or that this is the unalterable law of
\nall existence. It is at present a fact for certain reasons which are stated, 
\n\u2014due to certain mental and physical circumstances  \u2014if these are changed,
\ndeath is not inevitable any longer. Obviously the alteration can only come "if"
\ncertain conditions are satisfied  \u2014all progress and change by evolution
\ndepends upon an "if" which gets satisfied. If the animal mind had not been
\npushed to develop speech and reason, mental man would never have come into
\nexistence,  \u2014but the "if", a stupendous and formidable one, was satisfied.
\nSo with the ifs that condition a farther progress.<\/span><\/p>\n

\n

\n\t31 July 1936
\n<\/span> <\/p>\n

\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\t*<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\t 
\n <\/span><\/p>\n

\n\tThere are some lines in Entretiens <\/i>which I do not
\n\tfind in the English Conversations<\/i>. For example, in the conversation
\n\tabout hostile forces, the Mother speaks about some "etres<\/i>
\n pervers et hostiles de plus grande envergure et d’une plus haute<\/i>
\n `  \u00b4<\/i>
\norigine que tous ceux dont j’ai parle jusqu’a present<\/i>" [p. 69<\/i>].
\n\tThese new hostiles are not of the lower cosmic plane. If they are of a "plus
\n\thaute origine<\/i>", they must belong to the higher worlds. Does this mean
\n\tthat the hostiles exist in the higher worlds up to the Supramental? <\/span> <\/p>\n

\n\tI believe the Mother was referring to the mental Asuras
\n\tas opposed to the vital hostiles. There are no hostiles above the mind and
\n\tcannot be, for it is with the mind that the opposition begins. <\/span> <\/p>\n

\n\tWhen the Conversations <\/i>were translated, Mother
\n\tmade certain corrections so as to express the thought better than in the
\n\toriginal report.
\n\t<\/span> <\/p>\n

\n19 October 1935 <\/span> <\/p>\n

\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\t*<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n\t <\/p>\n

<\/span><\/p>\n

\nIn Entretiens <\/i>the Mother speaks of "la marche
\ninterne de<\/i> l’univers<\/i>" [p. 100<\/i>]. Is there really an internal
\nprogress in the universe? Except in a few individuals there is hardly any change
\nor progress in countries. It seems to me that, internally and externally, the
\nuniverse is moving in a circle and always  
\n<\/span> <\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

\n
\nPage <\/font>\u2013 642<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n

\n

\n\tcrosses the same points on the circle, but essentially
\n\tthe quality of the points is the same. <\/span> <\/p>\n

\n\t"Univers<\/i>" in French usually means not the whole
\n\tuniverse but the "world"  \u2014the earth. There must be a progress in the
\n\tearthconsciousness, otherwise there could have been no evolution. The
\n\tevolution of mankind may go by circles or spirals, but there is all the same
\n\tan opening of more and more complete possibilities till the possibility of
\n\tthe evolution of a higher race becomes valid.
\n\t<\/span> <\/p>\n

\n1 September 1936<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

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\nPage <\/font>\u2013 625<\/font><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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