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\n15
\nJune 1955 <\/span><\/font> <\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Mother reads from Lights on Yoga, \u201cThe Goal\u201d.
\n<\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Sweet Mother, what is \u201cdynamic realisation\u201d? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

It is the realisation which is expressed
\nin action. There is a realisation in inaction like that of those who enter into
\ncontemplations from which they don’t come out, and who don’t move; and then
\nthere is a dynamic realisation which transforms all your action, all your movements,
\nall your way of being, your character. In the first case one’s outer being
\nremains the same, nothing changes, and usually it destroys all possibility of
\naction, one can no longer do anything, one remains seated… In the second
\ncase, it changes everything, your character, your way of being, your way of
\nacting, all your actions and even your surroundings, and finally all your
\nexistence, your total being: this is dynamic realisation, with the
\ntransformation of the body as its culmination.  <\/span><\/p>\n

Some people try to transform their body
\nbefore even having transformed their intelligence, and this produces a complete
\ndisplacement, it unbalances them totally. One must first transform his thought,
\nall his mind, all his mental activity, organise it with higher knowledge; and
\nat the same time one must transform his character, all the movements of the
\nvital, all impulses, all reactions. And finally, when these two things are
\ndone, in any case up to a certain point, one can begin to think of transforming
\nthe cells of his body, but not begin at the end; one must begin at the
\nbeginning.  <\/span><\/p>\n

One can do… Sri Aurobindo says, doesn’t
\nhe, that one can do everything at the same time, but the centre, the most
\nimportant part, must first be transformed sufficiently before one can think of
\ntransforming his body… like some people who, for example, immediately want to
\nchange their food or even to stop eating, because, they say, finally when the
\nSupermind comes  <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>Page \u2013 204<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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one will no longer need to eat. So before
\nthe Supermind has come they want to begin by what will happen; they stop
\neating, stop sleeping, and the result is that they fall very ill.  <\/span><\/p>\n

It is preferable at first to begin by
\nreceiving the Supermind in one’s mind with a sufficient knowledge, and
\ngradually come to transforming all the rest. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Sweet Mother, what is \u201cthe dynamic side\u201d? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

It is the same thing. It is this side of
\nthe yoga.  <\/span><\/p>\n

There are two aspects: an aspect which is
\nstatic and a preparation, and a dynamic aspect which is an aspect of transformation,
\nof action. Dynamic means energetic; it means propulsion, action. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

What does \u201cthe negative side\u201d and \u201cthe positive side of experience\u201d
\nmean? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Ah, my child, you have certain faults, you
\nknow, things which prevent you from progressing. So, the negative side is to
\ntry and get rid of your defects. There are things which you have to be, to
\nbecome, qualities which you must build in yourself in order to realise; so this
\nside of construction is the positive side.  <\/span><\/p>\n

You have a defect, for example, a tendency
\nnot to speak the truth. Now this habit of falsehood, of not seeing or not
\nspeaking the truth, you fight against it by rejecting falsehood from your
\nconsciousness and endeavouring to eliminate that habit of not speaking the
\ntruth. For the thing to be done, you must build in yourself the habit of
\nspeaking only the truth. For the thing to be done, you must build in yourself
\nthe habit of perceiving and always telling the truth. One is negative: you
\nreject a fault. The other is positive: you build the quality. It is like
\nthat. <\/span><\/p>\n

For everything it is like that. For
\nexample, you have somewhere in your being that kind of habit of revolt,
\nignorant, arrogant,<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>Page \u2013 205<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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 obscure revolt, of refusing what
\ncomes from above. So, the negative side is to fight against this, to prevent it
\nfrom expressing itself and reject it from your nature; and on the other side you
\nmust build positively surrender, understanding, consecration, self-giving and
\nthe sense of a complete collaboration with the divine forces. This is the
\npositive side. Do you understand? <\/span><\/p>\n

The same thing again: people who get
\nangry… the habit of flying into a rage, of getting angry… one fights
\nagainst that, refuses to get angry, rejects these vibrations of anger from
\none’s being, but this must be replaced by an imperturbable calm, a perfect
\ntolerance, an understanding of the point of view of others, a clear and
\ntranquil vision, a calm decision \u2013 which is the positive side. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

What is \u201cthe image of the dry coconut fruit\u201d? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

It is said that when one has realised (it
\nis in here that he says it), one becomes like the dry coconut which moves in
\nthe shell, which is free inside, no longer attached to the envelope and moving
\nfreely within. That’s what I have heard; it is the image for there being no attachment
\nany more. You have seen this, when a coconut becomes completely dry, the nut
\ninside is no longer fixed to the shell; and so when you move it, it moves
\ninside; it is completely free, it is absolutely independent of the shell. So
\nthe image of the being is given: the ordinary physical consciousness is the
\nshell; and so long as the Atman is not completely formed it is attached, it
\nholds on, it is stuck to the shell, and it cannot be detached; but when it is
\ncompletely formed it is absolutely free inside, it rolls freely in the shell
\nwithout being fixed to it. It must be this image. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Sweet Mother, what does this mean: \u201c\u2026one must transfer the allegiance of
\nthe Purusha from the lower Prakriti\u2026\u201d <\/span><\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>Page \u2013 206<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

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You don’t know what this means?  <\/span><\/p>\n

In the ordinary case, of the ordinary
\nbeing and ordinary life, the Purusha is subjected to Prakriti, to the external
\nNature, he is her slave. So Sri Aurobindo says that it is not enough to free
\noneself from this slavery. He begins that way: it is not enough to free oneself
\nfrom the slavery; he must keep his allegiance, but instead of obeying Prakriti,
\nhe must obey the Divine Mother; that is, instead of obeying something which is
\nlower than himself, he must obey what is higher. That is the sentence: transfer
\nhis allegiance from this to that.  <\/span><\/p>\n

Do you understand? No? Ah, it is probably
\nsomeone who wrote to him saying that he wanted his Purusha to be completely
\nfree from allegiance to Prakriti. So he answered: No, that’s not enough; if you
\nfree it, it is only half the work; your allegiance must be there, but instead
\nof being related to Prakriti, it must exist for the Divine Mother. And then
\nlater he explains the difference. There is an entire passage there in which he
\nsays that the Divine Mother should not be identified with Prakriti. Naturally
\nthere is something of the Divine Mother there, because something of the Divine
\nMother is behind everything. But one must not think that Prakriti is the Divine
\nMother. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

(Nolini) It is the negative and positive side \u2013 as Tara asked \u2013 of allegiance to
\nPrakriti.<\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Allegiance to Prakriti, yes, it’s true. To
\nget rid of this allegiance to Prakriti is the negative side of the development;
\none frees himself from his allegiance to Prakriti, but one must take a step
\nfurther and have the positive side of being surrendered to the Divine Mother. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

The last sentence: \u201c\u2026in the Truth-Creation the law is that of a constant
\nunfolding without any Pralaya.\u201d What is this constant unfolding?<\/span><\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>Page \u2013 207<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

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The Truth-Creation… it is the last line?
\n(Mother consults the book) I think we have already spoken about this several
\ntimes. It has been said that in the process of creation, there is the movement
\nof creation followed by a movement of preservation and ending in a movement of
\ndisintegration or destruction; and even it has been repeated very often: \u201cAll
\nthat begins must end\u201d, etc., etc.  <\/span><\/p>\n

In fact in the history of our universe
\nthere have been six consecutive periods which began by a creation, were
\nprolonged by a force of preservation and ended by a disintegration, a
\ndestruction, a return to the Origin, which is called Pralaya; and that is why
\nthis tradition is there. But it has been said that the seventh creation would
\nbe a progressive creation, that is, after the starting-point of the creation,
\ninstead of its being simply followed by a preservation, it would be followed by
\na progressive manifestation which would express the Divine more and more
\ncompletely, so that no disintegration and return to the Origin would be
\nnecessary. And it has been announced that the period we are in is precisely the
\nseventh, that is, it would not end by a Pralaya, a return to the Origin, a
\ndestruction, a disappearance, but that it would be replaced by a constant
\nprogress, because it would be a more and more perfect unfolding of the divine
\nOrigin in its creation.  <\/span><\/p>\n

And this is what Sri Aurobindo says. He
\nspeaks of a constant unfolding, that is, the Divine manifests more and more
\ncompletely; more and more perfectly, in a progressive creation. It is the
\nnature of this progression which makes the return to the Origin, the
\ndestruction no longer necessary. All that does not progress disappears, and
\nthat is why physical bodies die, it’s because they are not progressive; they
\nare progressive up to a certain moment, then there they stop and most often
\nthey remain stable for a certain time, and then they begin to decline, and then
\ndisappear. It’s because the physical body, physical matter as it is at present
\nis not plastic enough to be able to progress constantly. But it is not impossible
\nto make it sufficiently <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>Page \u2013 208<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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plastic for the perfecting of the physical
\nbody to be such that it no longer needs disintegration, that is, death. <\/span><\/p>\n

Only, this cannot be realised except by
\nthe descent of the Supermind which is a force higher than all those which have
\nso far manifested and which will give the body a plasticity that will allow it
\nto progress constantly, that is, to follow the divine movement in its
\nunfolding. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Sweet Mother, I am mixing up things. Here it is written: \u201cBut one who
\nhas not mastered and lived the truths of Overmind cannot reach the supramental
\nTruth.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Yes. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

It is here that I am getting mixed up. Often you have said that the
\nreign of Overmind is finished and that of the Supermind is to come, and that
\none doesn’t need to go through the same experiences of the Overmind, because
\nthat’s already done. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

What is he saying? Pavitra, do you
\nunderstand what he is saying? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

(Pavitra) Mother, you have said several times that the reign of the Overmind is
\nfinished and now it is the reign of the Supermind<\/i>. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Yes, in a way, yes. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Therefore it is not necessary to pass through the experiences of the
\nOvermind to reach the Supermind<\/span><\/i>. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

I have said that there was no need to pass
\nthrough the experiences of the Overmind in order to have the supramental
\nexperiences? Have I ever said such a thing? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>Page \u2013 209<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

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I don’t say that you have said that, but perhaps I have understood it
\nlike that. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Ah, well! In any case I don’t think so. I
\ndon’t know if I have said it, but I don’t think so, because we are in a
\ntransitional period. It is absolutely certain that, in a general way, it is
\nstill the Overmind which is ruling and that if the Supermind comes, it’s that
\nit is only beginning to come and to have an influence, and that, in a period of
\ntransition, what Sri Aurobindo says here is absolutely obvious: If you
\nunderstand nothing of the Overmind you will understand still less of the
\nSupermind, and he has repeated, I don’t know how often, that one must not try
\nto leap to the highest summit without having climbed all the steps. Once
\nagain… when did I read… it’s not so long ago… that it was necessary to
\nclimb all the steps to go to the top? You can’t take a leap and neglect all the
\nrest. It is not possible. You can do it quickly. What can happen is that what
\ntook several lifetimes can be done in a few years or even perhaps in a few
\nmonths; but you have to do it. <\/span><\/p>\n

When we all have supramental bodies and
\nwhen within ourselves we are in the supramental consciousness, we shall perhaps
\nbe able to manufacture little supramental beings who will not need to pass
\nthrough these experiences! But it is only \u201cwhen\u201d, it is not so at present. (Laughter<\/i>) <\/span><\/p>\n

One must not hope for things before they
\nare done. They will be done, but a little later. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>Page \u2013 210<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n


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