{"id":4142,"date":"2013-07-13T01:53:42","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:53:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4142"},"modified":"2013-12-03T15:14:41","modified_gmt":"2013-12-03T23:14:41","slug":"05-28-sept-to-30-sep-1966-vol-11-notes-on-the-way-volume-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/11-notes-on-the-way-volume-11\/05-28-sept-to-30-sep-1966-vol-11-notes-on-the-way-volume-11","title":{"rendered":"-05_28 Sept to 30 Sep 1966.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><b><br \/>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>28<br \/>\n September 1966<\/span><\/b><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";color:#E2961A'><\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Why is there suffering?<br \/>\nHow to cure suffering?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>For a long<br \/>\ntime quite recently, that is to say, for days together, there was a very acute,<br \/>\nvery intense, very clear perception that the action of the Force translated<br \/>\nitself externally by what we call \u201csuffering&#8221; because that is the only kind of<br \/>\nvibration which can pull Matter out of its inertia.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;The supreme Peace, the supreme Calm are deformed and<br \/>\ndisfigured into inertia and into<i> tamas,<\/i><br \/>\nand precisely because this was the deformation of true Peace and Calm, there<br \/>\nwas no reason why it should change! A certain vibration of awakening &#8213; of<br \/>\nreawakening \u2013 was necessary to come out of this <i>tamas,<\/i> that could not pass directly from <i>tamas <\/i>to Peace; something was needed to shake the <i>tamas,<\/i> and that is translated externally<br \/>\nby suffering.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I am speaking here of physical suffering, because all the other<br \/>\nsufferings \u2013 vital, mental, emotional sufferings \u2013 are due to a wrong working<br \/>\nof the mind, and these&#8230; may simply be classed together as Falsehood, that&#8217;s<br \/>\nall. But physical suffering gives me the impression of a child being beaten,<br \/>\nbecause here, in Matter, Falsehood has become ignorance; that is to say, there<br \/>\nis no bad will \u2013 no bad will is there in Matter, all is inertia and ignorance:<br \/>\ncomplete ignorance of the Truth, ignorance of the Origin, ignorance of the<br \/>\nPossibility and ignorance even of what is to be done in order not to suffer physically.<br \/>\nThis ignorance is everywhere in the cells, and it is only the experience, the<br \/>\nexperience of what is translated in this rudimentary consciousness as<br \/>\nsuffering, which can awaken, bring forth the need to know and to cure, and the<br \/>\naspiration to transform oneself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It has become a certainty, because in all the cells there is born<br \/>\nthe aspiration, which is becoming more and more intense and which wonders at<br \/>\nthe resistance; but they have observed<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 41<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>that whenever<br \/>\nsomething goes wrong in the working (that is to say, instead of being supple,<br \/>\nspontaneous, natural, the working becomes a painful effort, a struggle against<br \/>\nsomething which takes the appearance of a bad will, but is only a reticence<br \/>\nthat does not understand), at that moment, the intensity of the aspiration, of<br \/>\nthe call, is tenfold, becomes constant. The difficulty is to remain at that<br \/>\nstate of intensity. Generally everything falls back, I cannot say into a<br \/>\nsomnolence, but a kind of relaxation: you take things easy; and it is only when<br \/>\nthe inner disorder becomes painful that the intensity grows and remains<br \/>\npermanent. For hours \u2013 hours together \u2013without slackening, the call, the<br \/>\naspiration, the will to be united with the Divine, to become the Divine, is<br \/>\nmaintained at its maximum. Why? Because there was externally what is called a<br \/>\nphysical disorder, a suffering. Otherwise, when there is no suffering, from<br \/>\ntime to time one soars up, then one falls back into a slackening; again another<br \/>\ntime one soars up once more&#8230; there is no end to it. That lasts eternally. If<br \/>\nwe want things to go fast (relatively fast according to the rhythm of our<br \/>\nlife), this smack of the whip is necessary. I am convinced of it, because as<br \/>\nsoon as you are within your inner being you look upon that with contempt (as<br \/>\nregards oneself).<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But then, all of a sudden, when there comes this true Compassion<br \/>\nof the Divine Love, and when one sees all these things that appear so horrible,<br \/>\nso abnormal, so absurd, this great pain which is upon all beings and even upon<br \/>\nall things&#8230; then there takes birth in this physical being the aspiration to<br \/>\nsoothe, to cure, to remove that. There is in Love, at its Origin, something<br \/>\nwhich is translated constantly as the intervention of Grace: a force, a sweetness,<br \/>\nsomething like a vibration of solace spread everywhere, but which an illumined<br \/>\nconsciousness can direct, concentrate on some points. And it is there, there<br \/>\nitself that I saw the true use one can make of thought: thought serves as a<br \/>\nkind of channel to carry this vibration from place to place, wherever it is<br \/>\nnecessary. This force, this vibration of sweetness is<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 42<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>there in a<br \/>\nstatic way upon the world, pressing in order to be received, but it is an<br \/>\nimpersonal action. And thought \u2013 illumined thought, surrendered thought,<br \/>\nthought which is no longer anything but an instrument, which tries no longer to<br \/>\ninitiate things, which is satisfied with being moved by the higher<br \/>\nConsciousness \u2013 thought serves as an intermediary to establish a contact, a<br \/>\nrelation, and to enable this impersonal Force to act wherever it is necessary,<br \/>\nupon definite points.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It may be said in an absolute way that an evil always carries its<br \/>\nown remedy. One might say that the cure of any suffering coexists with the<br \/>\nsuffering. So, instead of seeing an evil \u201cuseless&#8221; and \u201cstupid&#8221; as it is<br \/>\ngenerally thought to be, you see that the progress, the evolution which has<br \/>\nmade the suffering necessary<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>\u2013 which is<br \/>\nthe cause of the suffering and the very reason for its existence \u2013 attains the<br \/>\nintended result; and at the same time the suffering is cured, for those who are<br \/>\nable to open themselves and receive. The three things \u2013 suffering as a means of<br \/>\nprogress, progress, and the cure of suffering \u2013 are coexistent, simultaneous;<br \/>\nthat is to say, they do not follow each other, they are there at the same time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If, at the moment when the transforming action creates a<br \/>\nsuffering, there is in that which suffers the necessary aspiration and opening,<br \/>\nthe remedy also is taken in at the same time, and the effect is total,<br \/>\ncomplete: transformation, with the action necessary to obtain it, and, at the<br \/>\nsame time, cure of the false sensation produced by the resistance. And the<br \/>\nsuffering is replaced by&#8230; something which is not known upon this earth, but<br \/>\nwhich is akin to joy, well-being, trust and security. It is a <span class=\"SpellE\">supersensation<\/span>, in a perfect peace, and which is obviously<br \/>\nthe only thing that can be eternal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>This analysis expresses very imperfectly what one would call the<br \/>\n\u201ccontent&#8221; of Ananda.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I believe it is something that has been felt, experienced,<br \/>\npartially and in a very fleeting manner, through all the ages, but which has<br \/>\njust begun to concentrate and almost <span class=\"SpellE\">concretise<\/span><br \/>\nitself<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page 43<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>upon earth.<br \/>\nBut physical Matter, in its cellular form, has, one cannot say fear or anxiety,<br \/>\nbut a kind of apprehension of new vibrations, and this apprehension naturally<br \/>\ntakes away from the cells their receptivity and assumes the appearance of<br \/>\nuneasiness \u2013 it is not suffering, but an uneasiness. When, however, this<br \/>\napprehension is counterbalanced and cured by aspiration and the will for total<br \/>\nsurrender and by the act of total surrender, then this sort of apprehension,<br \/>\nhaving disappeared, becomes a supreme well-being.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>All this, they are as though microscopic studies of the phenomena<br \/>\nof consciousness, free from mental intervention. The necessity of using words<br \/>\nto express oneself brings this mental intervention, but in the experience it<br \/>\ndoes not exist. And it is very interesting, because the pure experience has a<br \/>\ncontent of truth, of reality, which disappears as soon as the mind intervenes.<br \/>\nThere is a <span class=\"SpellE\">savour<\/span> of true reality which altogether<br \/>\nescapes expression because of that. It is the same difference as between an<br \/>\nindividual and his portrait, a fact and the story told. It is like that. But it<br \/>\nis much more subtle.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>And then, to come back to what we were saying just now, when one<br \/>\nis conscious of this Force \u2013 this Force, this Compassion in its essential<br \/>\nreality \u2013 and when one sees how it can act through the conscious individual,<br \/>\none has the key to the problem.<\/span><span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 44<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><b><br \/>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<a name=\"30 September 1966\">30<br \/>\n September 1966<\/a><\/span><\/b><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";color:#E2961A'><\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">This talk begins with Mother&#8217;s comments on<br \/>\nthe following letter of Sri Aurobindo.<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<i><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201c &#8230; although <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:  \"Times New Roman\"'>St. Paul<\/span><\/i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'> had remarkable mystic<br \/>\nexperiences and, certainly, much profound spiritual knowledge <span class=\"SpellE\">rofound<\/span> rather than wide, I think) \u2013 I would<span>\u00a0 <\/span>not swear to it that he is referring to the<br \/>\nsupramentalised body (physical body). Perhaps to the supramental body or to<br \/>\nsome other luminous body in its own space and substance, which he found<br \/>\nsometimes as if enveloping him and abolishing this body of death which he felt<br \/>\nthe material envelope to be. This verse \u00b9 like many others is capable of<br \/>\nseveral interpretations and might refer to a quite <span class=\"SpellE\">supraphysical<\/span><br \/>\nexperience. The idea of a transformation of the body occurs in different<br \/>\ntraditions, but I have never been quite sure that it meant the change in this<br \/>\nvery matter. There was a yogi sometime ago in this region who taught it, but he<br \/>\nhoped when the change was complete, to disappear in light. The Vaishnavas speak<br \/>\nof a divine body which will replace this one when there is the complete siddhi.<br \/>\nBut, again, is this a divine physical or <span class=\"SpellE\">supraphysical<\/span><br \/>\nbody? At the same time there is no obstacle in the way of supposing that all<br \/>\nthese ideas, intuitions, experiences point to, if they do not exactly denote,<br \/>\nthe physical transformation.\u201d\u00b2<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">\u00b9<br \/>\n\u201cFor this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on<br \/>\nimmortality.<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">\u201cSo<br \/>\nwhen this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall<br \/>\nhave put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is<br \/>\nwritten, Death is swallowed up in victory.&#8221; I Corinthians, 16. 53, 54. <\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">2.<span>\u00a0 <\/span>Letter dated 24December 1930. <i>Letters on Yoga,<\/i> Cent. Vol. 24, p.1237<\/font><\/span><span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">.<\/font><\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 45<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It is<br \/>\nstrange, this was the very subject of my meditations these days \u2013 not<br \/>\ndeliberate, they are imposed from above. Because through the entire passage<br \/>\nfrom the plant to the animal and from the animal to man (especially from the<br \/>\nanimal to man), essentially the differences in form are minimal; the true<br \/>\ntransformation lies in the intervention of another agent of consciousness. All<br \/>\nthe differences between the life of the animal and the life of man come from<br \/>\nthe intervention of the Mind; but the substance is essentially the same and it<br \/>\nobeys the same laws of formation and construction. For example, there is not<br \/>\nmuch difference between a calf that is formed in the womb of the cow and the<br \/>\nchild that is formed in the womb of the mother. There is a difference, that of<br \/>\nthe intervention of the Mind; but if we look at a physical being, that is to<br \/>\nsay, visible as the physical is visible now and having the same density (for<br \/>\nexample, a body having no need of circulation, or of bones \u2013 particularly these<br \/>\ntwo: the skeletons and blood circulation), it is difficult to conceive. And as<br \/>\nlong as it is like that, with this circulation of the blood, this action of the<br \/>\nheart, one could imagine \u2013 one can imagine \u2013 by a power of the Spirit, the<br \/>\nrenewal of force, of energy, through means other than food; this is conceivable;<br \/>\nbut the rigidity, the solidity of the body \u2013 how is that possible without the<br \/>\nskeleton?&#8230; In that case, this would be a transformation infinitely greater<br \/>\nthan that from the animal to man; this would be a passage from man to a being<br \/>\nwho would not be built in the same manner, who would no longer function in the<br \/>\nsame manner, who would be like the condensation and <span class=\"SpellE\">concretisation<\/span><br \/>\nof \u201csomething&#8221;&#8230;. Up to now, that corresponds to nothing we have yet seen<br \/>\nphysically, unless the scientists have found something I do not know about.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>One can conceive of a<br \/>\nlight or a new force giving to the cells a kind of spontaneous life and<br \/>\nspontaneous force.<\/span><\/i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 46<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, that is<br \/>\nwhat I say, food can disappear; that one can conceive.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But the whole body could<br \/>\nbe animated by this force. The body could remain supple, for instance. Even retaining<br \/>\nits bone-structure, it could remain supple, have the suppleness of a child.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But the child<br \/>\nbecause of that cannot remain standing! He cannot exert himself. What will<br \/>\nreplace the bone-structure, for instance?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It could be the same<br \/>\nelements, but having suppleness \u2013<span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span>elements whose firmness would not come from hardness but from the force<br \/>\nof light, no?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, that is<br \/>\npossible&#8230;. Only, what I mean to say is that perhaps the thing will be done<br \/>\nthrough a large number of new creations. For instance, the passage from man to<br \/>\nthis being will perhaps be accomplished through all kinds of other<br \/>\nintermediaries. It is the leap, you understand, that seems to me tremendous.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I conceive very well a being who could, by spiritual power, the<br \/>\npower of his inner being, absorb the necessary forces, renew himself and remain<br \/>\nalways young; that one conceives very well, even for giving a certain<br \/>\nsuppleness so as to be able to change the form, if need be. But the total<br \/>\ndisappearance of this system of construction immediately \u2013 immediately from the<br \/>\none to the other \u2013 that seems to be&#8230; that seems to require stages.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Evidently, unless something happens (which we are obliged to call<br \/>\na \u201cmiracle&#8221;, because one cannot understand how) how can a body like ours<br \/>\nbecome a body wholly built and moved by a higher force and without a material support?<br \/>\nThis (<i>Mother holds the skin of her hand<br \/>\nbetween her fingers<\/i>), how can this change into this other thing?&#8230; That<br \/>\nappears impossible.<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<span style='color:blue'><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 47<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>That appears miraculous,<br \/>\nbut &#8230;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, in all<br \/>\nmy experiences I understand very well the possibility of no longer having the<br \/>\nneed for food, the disappearance of all this process (for example, changing the<br \/>\nmethod of absorption, that is possible), but how to change the structure?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But that<br \/>\ndoes not seem to me impossible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But that does not seem to<br \/>\nyou impossible?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>That does<br \/>\nnot seem to you impossible?<span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><i><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No, perhaps it is<br \/>\nimagination, but I imagine very well a spiritual power entering into it and<br \/>\nproducing a kind of luminous inflation, and all this <span class=\"SpellE\">suddenly blooming<\/span><br \/>\nlike a flower. This body, <span class=\"SpellE\">shrivelled<\/span> up towards<br \/>\nitself, opens out, becomes radiant, supple, luminous.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Supple,<br \/>\nplastic, yes, that one can conceive, it can become plastic; that is to say, the<br \/>\nform will not be fixed as now. All that one can conceive, but&#8230; <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But I see it very well<br \/>\nlike a kind of luminous blooming: the Light must have this force. And it<br \/>\ndestroys in no way the present structure.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But visible?<br \/>\nWhich one would be able to touch?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, only, it is like an<br \/>\nopening out. What was closed opens like a flower, that&#8217;s all. But it is always<br \/>\nthe structure of the flower, only it is wholly opened <span class=\"SpellE\">and it<\/span><br \/>\nis luminous, no?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(Mother shakes her head<br \/>\nand remains silent for a moment.) <\/span><\/i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I<\/span><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 48<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";color:blue'><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>have not had<br \/>\nthe experience, I do not know.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I am absolutely convinced, because I have had experiences which<br \/>\nproved it to me, that the life of this body \u2013 the life which makes it move and<br \/>\nchange \u2013 can be replaced by a force; that is to say, one can create a kind of<br \/>\nimmortality, and the wear and tear can also disappear. These two things are<br \/>\npossible: the power of life can come and the wear and tear can disappear. And<br \/>\nthat can come psychologically, through a total obedience to the divine<br \/>\nImpulsion, which enables one to have at each moment the force that is needed,<br \/>\nto do the thing that is needed \u2013 all that, all that, these are certitudes; it<br \/>\nis not a hope, it is not an imagination: these are certitudes. Well, one must<br \/>\neducate and slowly transform, change one&#8217;s habits. It is possible, all that is<br \/>\npossible. But only, how long would it take to do away with the necessity (let<br \/>\nus take this problem only) of the skeleton? That seems to me to be a matter<br \/>\nstill very far away. That is to say, many intermediary stages will be<br \/>\nnecessary. Sri Aurobindo said that life could be prolonged indefinitely. That,<br \/>\nyes. But we are not yet built with something that wholly escapes dissolution,<br \/>\nthe necessity of dissolution. The bones are very durable, they can even last a<br \/>\nthousand years if they are in favourable conditions, it is understood; but that<br \/>\ndoes not mean immortality<i> in principle.<\/i><br \/>\nYou understand what I mean?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No. You believe that it<br \/>\nmust be a non-physical substance?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I do not<br \/>\nknow if it is non-physical, but it is a physical that I do not know! And it is<br \/>\nnot the substance as we know it now, particularly not the construction that we<br \/>\nknow now.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I do not know, but if it<br \/>\nmust be a physical body, as Sri Aurobindo has said; it seemed to me (but<br \/>\nperhaps it is day-dreaming) that it might be like a lotus-bud for example; our<br \/>\npresent body is like a lotus-bud that<\/span><\/i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>is quite small, closed,<br \/>\nhard; and it opens out, it becomes a flower.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 49<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, but<br \/>\nthat, my child, that is&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>What cannot this Light<br \/>\ndo with the elements that it has? They are the same things, the same elements, but<br \/>\ntransfigured.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But<br \/>\nvegetable things are not immortal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No, it was only a<br \/>\ncomparison.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Well, yes!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There is this question only. Perpetual change, that I conceive; I<br \/>\ncould even conceive of a flower that does not fade, but it is this principle of<br \/>\nimmortality&#8230; That is to say, in essence, a life which escapes from the<br \/>\nnecessity of renewing itself: that it is the eternal Force which manifests<br \/>\nitself directly and eternally, and yet it should be this, a physical body (<i>Mother touches her skin with her fingers<\/i>).<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I understand very well a progressive change and that one could<br \/>\nmake of this substance something which might renew itself from within to the<br \/>\noutside and eternally \u2013 and that, that would be immortality; but only, it seems<br \/>\nto me that between what is now, as we are, and this other mode of life, there<br \/>\nhave to be many stages. Well, these cells, with all the consciousness and<br \/>\nexperience they have now, if you ask them, for example, \u201cIs there anything that<br \/>\nyou cannot do?&#8221;, they will answer in their sincerity, \u201cNo, what the Lord<br \/>\nwills, I can do.&#8221; This is their state of consciousness. But in appearance it<br \/>\nis otherwise. The personal experience is this: whatever I do with the Presence<br \/>\nof the Lord, I do without effort, without difficulty, without fatigue, without<br \/>\nwaste, like this (<i>Mother indicates a wide<br \/>\nharmonious rhythm<\/i>); only it is still open to all the influences from<br \/>\noutside and the<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 50<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>body is<br \/>\nobliged to do things that are not directly the expression of the supreme<br \/>\nImpulsion; from there come the fatigue, the friction. &#8230; So, a supramental<br \/>\nbody suspended in a world that is not the earth \u2013 it is not that!&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No<\/span><\/i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>.<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Something is<br \/>\nneeded that has the power to resist the contagion. Man cannot resist the<br \/>\ncontagion of the animal, he cannot, he is in constant relation. Well, this<br \/>\nbeing, how will he do it?&#8230; It would seem, for a long time \u2013 for a long time \u2013<br \/>\nhe will still be subjected to the laws of contagion.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I do not know, but it<br \/>\ndoes not seem to me impossible.<\/span><\/i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No? &nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I feel that this Power<br \/>\nof Light being there, what can touch it?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But all the<br \/>\nworld will disappear! It is that, is it not?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>When That comes, when the Lord is there,<br \/>\nthere is not one in a thousand who would not be frightened. And not in the<br \/>\nreasoning, not in the thought: like that, in the substance. Then supposing,<br \/>\nsupposing that it is so, that a being becomes the condensation and expression,<br \/>\na formula of the supreme Power, the supreme Light \u2013 what would happen!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Well, that is the whole<br \/>\nproblem.&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Because I do not see the<br \/>\ndifficulty of transformation in itself. It seems to me rather the difficulty of<br \/>\nthe world.&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 51<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If<br \/>\neverything could be transformed at the same time, that would be all right, but<br \/>\nit is not obviously like that. If one being was transformed all alone&#8230; <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, that would be<br \/>\nunbearable, perhaps.<\/span><\/i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>My feeling (it is a kind of feeling-sensation) is that there<br \/>\nshould be intermediary stages.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>And then, when you see how man had to fight against the whole of<br \/>\nNature in order to exist, you have the feeling that these beings \u2013 those who<br \/>\nwill understand them, who will help them \u2013 will have with them a relation of<br \/>\ndevotion, attachment, service, as animals have for men. But those who will not<br \/>\nlove them&#8230; they will be dangerous beings. I remember, once I had a very clear<br \/>\nvision of the precarious situation of these new beings, and I had said (it was<br \/>\nbefore 1956, before the descent of the supramental power), I had said, \u201cThe<br \/>\nSupramental will first manifest itself in its aspect of Power, because it will<br \/>\nbe indispensable for the safety of the beings.&#8221; And indeed it is Power that<br \/>\ndescended first \u2013 Power and Light: Light that gives Knowledge and Power.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It is a thing that I am feeling more and more: the necessity of<br \/>\nintermediate periods&#8230;. It is quite evident that something is in the process<br \/>\nof happening, but it is not the \u201csomething&#8221; that has been seen and foreseen<br \/>\nand which will be the culmination; it is one of the stages that is going to<br \/>\ncome about, it is not the culmination.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Sri Aurobindo also has said that first of all there will come the<br \/>\npower to prolong life at will (it is much more subtle and wonderful than that),<br \/>\nbut that is a state of consciousness which is in the process of being<br \/>\nestablished; it is a kind of relation, and of constant, established contact<br \/>\nwith the supreme Lord; and that abolishes the sense of wear and tear and<br \/>\nreplaces it by an extraordinary flexibility, an extraordinary plasticity. But<br \/>\nthe<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 52<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='text-align:justify;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>state of <i>spontaneous<\/i> immortality is not possible<br \/>\n\u2013 not possible, at least for the present. This structure must change into<br \/>\nsomething other than this; and in order to change into something other than<br \/>\nthis \u2013 in the way things are happening, it will take long. It may go faster<br \/>\nthan in the past, but even admitting that the movement rushes forward , even<br \/>\nthen it will take time (according to our notion of time). And what is, besides,<br \/>\nquite worth noticing, is that one must change one&#8217;s sense of time if one is to<br \/>\nbe in the state of consciousness where wearing out does not exist; one enters<br \/>\ninto a state where time no longer has the same reality. It is something else.<br \/>\nIt is very special, it is an uncountable present. Even this habit that one has,<br \/>\nof thinking beforehand or of foreseeing what is going to happen, is a<br \/>\nstumbling-block, is a clinging to the old manner of being.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So many, so many habits to change.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>The integral realisation will come about only when one can be<br \/>\ndivine spontaneously. Oh! To be divine spontaneously, without<span>\u00a0 <\/span>turning to see that one is so, having passed<br \/>\nbeyond the stage where one wants to be so.<\/span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='text-align:center;line-height:150%;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0'>\n<span style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 53<\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>28 September 1966 &nbsp; Why is there suffering? 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