{"id":4262,"date":"2013-07-13T01:54:39","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:54:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4262"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:54:39","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:54:39","slug":"13-4-september-1957-vol-09-questions-and-answers-volume-09","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/09-questions-and-answers-volume-09\/13-4-september-1957-vol-09-questions-and-answers-volume-09","title":{"rendered":"-13_4 September 1957.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"Section1\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">4 September 1957<\/font><\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";color:#E2961A'><\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>Today I received a question<br \/>\nabout a phrase I used on the fourteenth of August, the eve of Sri Aurobindo\u2019s<br \/>\nbirthday. And this question seemed interesting to me because it was about one of<br \/>\nthose rather cryptic phrases, that are almost ambiguous through simplification,<br \/>\nand which was intended to be like that, so that each one might understand it<br \/>\naccording to his own plane of consciousness. I have already spoken to you<br \/>\nseveral times of this possibility of understanding the same words on different<br \/>\nplanes; and these words were intentionally expressed with a simplification, a<br \/>\ndeliberate vagueness, precisely so that they would serve as a vehicle for the<br \/>\ncomplexity of meaning they had to express. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>This meaning is a<br \/>\nlittle different on the different planes, but it is complementary, and it is<br \/>\nonly really complete when one is able to understand it on all these planes at<br \/>\nonce. True understanding is a simultaneous understanding in which all the meanings<br \/>\nare perceived, grasped, understood at the same time; but to express them, as we<br \/>\nhave a very poor language at our disposal, we are obliged to say them one after<br \/>\nanother, with many words and many explanations.\u2026 That\u2019s what I am going to do<br \/>\nnow. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>The question is about the phrase in which I<br \/>\nspoke of the birth of Sri Aurobindo \u2013 it was on the eve of his birthday \u2013 and I<br \/>\ncalled it an \u201ceternal birth\u201d. I am asked what I meant by \u201ceternal\u201d. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Of course, if the<br \/>\nwords are taken literally, an \u201ceternal birth\u201d doesn\u2019t signify much. But I am<br \/>\ngoing to explain to you how there can be \u2013 and in fact is \u2013 a physical<br \/>\nexplanation or understanding, a mental understanding, a psychic understanding<br \/>\nand a spiritual understanding. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Physically, it means<br \/>\nthat the consequences of this birth will last as long as the Earth. The<br \/>\nconsequences of Sri Aurobindo\u2019s<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 177<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>birth will be felt throughout the entire existence of the Earth.<br \/>\nAnd so I called it \u201ceternal\u201d, a little poetically.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Mentally, it is a birth the memory of which will last eternally.<br \/>\nThrough the ages Sri Aurobindo\u2019s birth will be remembered, with all the<br \/>\nconsequences it has had. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Psychically, it is a<br \/>\nbirth which will recur eternally, from age to age, in the history of the<br \/>\nuniverse. This birth is a manifestation which takes place periodically, from<br \/>\nage to age, in the history of the Earth. That is, the birth itself is renewed,<br \/>\nrepeated, reproduced, bringing every time perhaps something more \u2013 something<br \/>\nmore complete and more perfect \u2013 but it is the same movement of descent, of<br \/>\nmanifestation, of birth in an earthly body. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>And finally, from the<br \/>\npurely spiritual point of view, it could be said that it is the birth of the<br \/>\nEternal on Earth. For each time the Avatar takes a physical form it is the<br \/>\nbirth of the Eternal himself on Earth. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>All that, contained in<br \/>\ntwo words: \u201ceternal birth\u201d. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>So, to conclude, I<br \/>\nadvise you, in future, before telling yourself: \u201cWhy! What does this mean? I<br \/>\ndon\u2019t understand it at all; perhaps it is not expressed properly,\u201d you could<br \/>\nsay to yourself: \u201cPerhaps I am not on the plane where I would be able to<br \/>\nunderstand\u201d, and try to find behind the words something more than mere words.<br \/>\nThere. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>I think this will be a<br \/>\ngood subject for our meditation.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Meditation<\/i>)<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 178<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<a name=\"01_11 September 1957\"><font size=\"3\">11 September 1957<\/font><\/a><\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";color:#E2961A'><\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>Sweet Mother, why does one feel attracted at<br \/>\nfirst sight to some people and feel a repulsion for others? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Usually this is based on vital affinities, nothing else. There are<br \/>\nvital vibrations which harmonise and vital vibrations which don\u2019t. It is<br \/>\nusually this, nothing else. It is vital chemistry. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>One would have to be in a much deeper and more clear-sighted<br \/>\nconsciousness for it to be otherwise. There is an inner perception based on a<br \/>\npsychic consciousness, which makes you feel which people have the same<br \/>\naspiration, the same aim, and can be your companions on the way; and this<br \/>\nperception also makes you clear-sighted about those who follow a very different<br \/>\nway or carry in them forces which are hostile to you and may harm you in your<br \/>\ndevelopment. But to attain such a perception one must oneself be exclusively<br \/>\noccupied with one\u2019s own spiritual progress and integral realisation. Now, that<br \/>\nis not often the case. And usually too, when one has attained this inner<br \/>\nclear-sightedness, it is not expressed by attraction and repulsion, but by a<br \/>\nvery \u201cobjective\u201d knowledge, it might be said, and a kind of inner certainty<br \/>\nwhich makes you act calmly and reasonably, and without attractions and repulsions.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Therefore, it may be<br \/>\nsaid in a general and almost absolute way that those who have very definite and<br \/>\nimpulsive likes and dislikes live in a vital consciousness. Mixed with this,<br \/>\nthere may be mental affinities; that is, some minds like to have relationships<br \/>\nin common activities, but here too, these are people on a much higher level<br \/>\nintellectually, and this is also expressed even more by a comparative ease in<br \/>\nrelationships and by something much more calm and detached. One takes pleasure<br \/>\nin speaking with certain people, for others there is no attraction, one gains<br \/>\nnothing from it. It is a little more distant and quiet; it belongs more to the<br \/>\nfield of reason. But likes and dislikes clearly belong&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 179<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>to the vital world. Well, there is a vital chemistry just as there<br \/>\nis physical chemistry: there are bodies which repel each other and others which<br \/>\nattract; there are substances which combine and others which explode, and it is<br \/>\nlike that. There are some vital vibrations which harmonise, and harmonise to<br \/>\nsuch an extent that ninety-nine times out of a hundred these sympathies are<br \/>\ntaken for what men call love, and suddenly people feel, \u201cOh! he is the one I<br \/>\nwas waiting for\u201d, \u201cOh! she is the one I was seeking!\u201d (<i>laughing<\/i>), and they rush towards each other, till they find out<br \/>\nthat it was something very superficial and that these things can\u2019t last. There.<br \/>\nSo the first advice given to those who want to do yoga: \u201cRise above likes and<br \/>\ndislikes.\u201d This is something without any deeper reality and it can at the very<br \/>\nleast lead you into difficulties which are at times quite hard to overcome. You<br \/>\ncan ruin your life with these things. And the best thing is not to take any<br \/>\nnotice of them \u2013 to draw back a little into yourself and ask yourself why \u2013<br \/>\nit\u2019s nothing very mysterious \u2013 you like to meet this person, don\u2019t like to meet<br \/>\nthat one.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But, as I say, there comes a moment when one is exclusively<br \/>\noccupied with one\u2019s sadhana, when one can feel \u2013 but both more subtly and much<br \/>\nmore quietly \u2013 that a particular contact is favourable to sadhana and another<br \/>\nharmful. But that always takes a much more \u201cdetached\u201d form, so to say, and<br \/>\noften it even contradicts the so-called attractions and repulsions of the<br \/>\nvital; very often it has nothing to do with them. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>So, the best thing is<br \/>\nto look at all that from a little distance and to lecture yourself a little on<br \/>\nthe futility of these things. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Obviously there are<br \/>\nsome natures which are almost fundamentally bad, beings who are born wicked and<br \/>\nlove to do harm; and logically, if one is quite natural, not perverted, natural<br \/>\nas animals are \u2013 for from this point of view they are far superior to men; perversion<br \/>\nbegins with humanity \u2013 then one keeps out of the way, as one would stand aside<br \/>\nfrom something<span>\u00a0 <\/span>fundamentally harmful.<br \/>\nBut happily these cases are not very frequent; what one meets in life are<br \/>\nusually very mixed natures where&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 180<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>there is a kind of balance, so to say, between the good and the<br \/>\nbad, and one may expect to have both good and bad relations. There is no reason<br \/>\nto feel any deep dislike, for, as one is quite mixed oneself (<i>laughing<\/i>), like meets like! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It is also said that some people are like vampires, and when they<br \/>\ncome near a person they spontaneously suck up his vitality and energy, and that<br \/>\none should beware of them as of a very serious danger. But that also\u2026Not that<br \/>\nit doesn\u2019t exist, but it is not very frequent, and certainly not so total that<br \/>\none need run away when one meets such a person. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So, essentially, if one wants to develop spiritually, the first thing<br \/>\nto do is to overcome one\u2019s dislikes\u2026and one\u2019s likes. Look at all that with a<br \/>\nsmile. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(Silence<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:3.0pt;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201cA<br \/>\nnew humanity would then be a race of mental beings on the earth and in the<br \/>\nearthly body but delivered from its present conditions in the reign of the<br \/>\ncosmic Ignorance so far as to be possessed of a perfected mind, a mind of light<br \/>\nwhich could even be a subordinate action of the supermind or<br \/>\nTruth-Consciousness and in any case capable of the full possibilities of mind<br \/>\nacting as a recipient of that truth and at least a secondary action of it in<br \/>\nthought and life. could even be a part of what could be described as a divine<br \/>\nlife upon earth and at least the beginnings of an evolution in the Knowledge<br \/>\nand no longer entirely or predominantly in the Ignorance. How far this would<br \/>\ngo, whether it would eventually embrace the whole of humanity or only an<br \/>\nadvanced portion of it, would depend upon the intention in the evolution<br \/>\nitself, on the intention in whatever cosmic or transcendent Will is guiding the<br \/>\nmovements of the universe.\u201d<span>\u00a0 <\/span><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">The<br \/>\nSupramental Manifestation, p. 60<\/font><\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 181<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Is this<br \/>\nintention unknown? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Do you know it? Do you? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><i>It is self-evident<br \/>\nthat evolution has a goal and therefore cannot stop short now. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>You know this because you have read Sri Aurobindo\u2019s books! But<br \/>\ntake any man in the street and ask him what the intention of the universe and<br \/>\nthe evolution is; you will see what reply he gives you! That he knows nothing<br \/>\nabout it. Naturally, those who have read and studied Sri Aurobindo\u2019s books at<br \/>\nleast think they know something about it. When Sri Aurobindo wrote this, he<br \/>\nwrote it quite obviously for people who were not interested in yoga and had not<br \/>\nread his books. He wrote it for people who were concerned with physical<br \/>\neducation, so he put himself in their place, expressed their ideas and tried to<br \/>\nlead them a little farther. He took the standpoint of those who had never read<br \/>\nhis books. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But you said \u201cit is self-evident.\u201d There are many people here \u2013<br \/>\nseveral hundred \u2013 if you ask them individually, not to repeat to you what they<br \/>\nhave read, but what they themselves feel and think about the intention of<br \/>\nuniversal evolution and whether there is any intention in the universal<br \/>\nevolution\u2026I don\u2019t think there would be many who could tell you in all<br \/>\nsincerity: \u201cIt is like this, it is like that, it is this.\u2026It is obviously<br \/>\nthat.\u201d Some of them could quote passages from Sri Aurobindo, but otherwise\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>If you yourself stop<br \/>\nthinking, if you stop thinking with the help of what you have read, and try to<br \/>\nexpress your personal experience, have you any certainty? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>I am not speaking, you<br \/>\nsee, of the result of what you have read or learnt or all that; I am speaking<br \/>\nof the result of your personal experience, your own, something that\u2019s evident<br \/>\nto you because it is your own life, it is your own experience \u2013 are you capable<br \/>\nof describing it?&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 182<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes! Well, I congratulate you. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>In spite of myself, it does happen. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Well, very good. I hope there are many more like you, that\u2019s all. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>There are many conflicting elements in me, but<br \/>\nall the same there is something\u2026<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, that\u2019s good, that\u2019s good \u2013 is very good.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So I can tell you that you have not wasted your time since you<br \/>\nhave been here! (Laughter) <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Well, we are going to look at this within ourselves. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Meditation<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 183<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<a name=\"02_18 September 1957\"><font size=\"3\">18 September 1957<\/font><\/a><\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";color:#E2961A'><\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Mother, what<br \/>\nplace will occultism have in the supramental life? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Why particularly occultism? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>Because everything will be known, won\u2019t it? <\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Why occultism? There is a place for everything in the supramental<br \/>\nlife. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Does this interest you specially? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>According to<br \/>\nwhat we know about occultism, it is the science which shows us things that are<br \/>\ninvisible to us, the invisible world, the invisible forces.\u2026But in the<br \/>\nsupramental world all this will be known. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>What do you understand by occultism? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><span>\u00a0 <\/span><i>The<br \/>\nknowledge of the invisible world and invisible forces. <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>And so \u2013 I don\u2019t quite understand. In the supermind one will no<br \/>\nlonger have any knowledge, or what? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span><span>\u00a0 <\/span><span>\u00a0<\/span>One will have the knowledge already, so\u2026<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Already.\u2026But then it will be an occult knowledge! I don\u2019t quite<br \/>\nunderstand. Occultism is a special way of dealing with things. In<i> The Life Divine <\/i>Sri Aurobindo has<br \/>\nexplained this in great detail. It is a special approach to knowledge and<br \/>\naction, and there is no reason why it should disappear or why.\u2026&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 184<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It will<br \/>\nbecome the natural consciousness. Then perhaps one won\u2019t need to learn this<br \/>\noccult knowledge. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Oh, you think one learns occultism as one learns to play the<br \/>\npiano! (<i>Laughter<\/i>) But it is not quite<br \/>\nlike that, anyway, that things happen. In fact, those who have no special<br \/>\naptitude could read all the books on occultism in the world and never know how<br \/>\nto practise it. It needs a special capacity.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It is true that you may also read all the books in the world on<br \/>\nhow to play the piano \u2013 if you do not play, you will never know how to play.<br \/>\nBut there are born musicians, born artists, and there are people who may work<br \/>\nat it all their lives and never come to anything at all. It is the same thing<br \/>\nwith occultism. If you mean that when one becomes a supramental being, one will<br \/>\nhave the gift of doing everything, very well, but that doesn\u2019t imply that the<br \/>\ngift is spontaneous. It is possible that you might have to concentrate on the<br \/>\nsubject and then learn your work. And it is also possible that one may be<br \/>\npotentially capable of doing everything but it is not necessary that one has to<br \/>\ndo everything! There will be differences and classifications all the same, and<br \/>\nspecial functions according to people and their individual tastes. I don\u2019t see<br \/>\nwhy you should deprive the supramental world particularly of occult activity<br \/>\nmore than of any other. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>How do you conceive of<br \/>\nthe supramental life? As a paradise in which everyone will do the same thing in<br \/>\nthe same way?\u2026The old conception of paradise where everybody became an angel playing<br \/>\nthe harp? It is not quite like that! All the differences will be there, all<br \/>\ndifferentiations and different activities, but instead of acting in the<br \/>\nordinary human ignorance, one will act with knowledge, that\u2019s all; that is what<br \/>\nwill make the difference.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><span>\u00a0<\/span>And the capacities will also increase, won\u2019t<br \/>\nthey? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Capacities?\u2026You take occultism in the sense of the power to act on<br \/>\nlife and things, as a process; but that is not occultism, that is magic.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 185<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Occultism is a special use of the consciousness, that\u2019s all. That<br \/>\nis, at the moment, as it is practised by human beings, it is a direct and<br \/>\nconscious perception of the forces behind appearances and the play of these<br \/>\nforces, and because one has the direct perception of them, one has the power to<br \/>\nact on them, and one makes some higher will intervene in the play of these<br \/>\nforces in order to obtain a required re<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>In the<br \/>\nsupramental world one will have these powers spontaneously. <\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Spontaneously!\u2026But everybody practises occultism without knowing that<br \/>\nhe does. Everybody has this power spontaneously but doesn\u2019t know he has it. It<br \/>\nmay be a very slight one, like a pin-head; it may be as vast as the Earth or<br \/>\neven the universe. But you cannot live without practising occultism, only you<br \/>\ndon\u2019t know it. So the only difference you can make is that when one has the<br \/>\nsupramental consciousness one will know it. That is all. So, your question<br \/>\nautomatically vanishes. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>When you think \u2013 I have explained this to you I don\u2019t know how<br \/>\nmany times \u2013 when you think, you are practising occultism. Only, you don\u2019t know<br \/>\nit. When you are thinking of someone, some part of you is automatically in<br \/>\ncontact with this person, and if to your thought is added a will that this<br \/>\nperson may be like this or like that or do this or that or understand this or<br \/>\nthat \u2013 whatever it may be \u2013 well, you are practising occultism, only you don\u2019t<br \/>\nknow it.\u2026There are people who do this with power, and when they have a strong<br \/>\nthought it manifests and is realised. There are people in whom it is very<br \/>\nfeeble and they do not obtain many results. It depends on the power of your<br \/>\nthought and also on your power of concentration. But this kind of occultism<br \/>\neverybody practises without even knowing it. So the difference from someone who<br \/>\nreally practises occult-&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page &#8211; 186<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>ism is that he knows he is doing it and perhaps how he does it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:3.0pt'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But<br \/>\nas you have spoken to us so often of Mr. X who was a great occultist, I thought<br \/>\nthat in the supramental world it would be something natural. All would be as<br \/>\ncapable as he. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But why this in particular? That is what I don\u2019t understand! Why<br \/>\nparticularly occultism? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>Because I thought that all knowledge of the<br \/>\ninvisible world entered the sphere of occultism. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:3.0pt'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So, now,<br \/>\nin ordinary life man is unconscious, half conscious; but in the full<br \/>\nconsciousness he would also have the full consciousness of occultism. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No, this is all very well, but do you believe that in the<br \/>\nsupramental life there will no longer be any classification of activities, or<br \/>\nwhat? That everything will be mixed up in a general spontaneous capacity? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span><span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><span>\u00a0<\/span>No, there will also be a hierarchy. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There will always be different ways of dealing with things.<br \/>\nPerhaps the occult power] will be more common, but if you imagine a world where<br \/>\neveryone has equally the same occult power, there will no longer be any<br \/>\ndifference. You understand? There are people who have the occult power and act<br \/>\non those who haven\u2019t, but if everyone has it equally it will no longer be<br \/>\noccultism!\u2026Is that what you meant? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 187<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Ah!\u2026Well, I am convinced that even in the most perfect supramental<br \/>\nrealisation there will always] be a differentiation between the capacities and<br \/>\nfunctions of each one; but instead of being or not being in one\u2019s right place,<br \/>\nof doing or not doing what one ought to do, unconsciously, one will be in one\u2019s<br \/>\nright place \u2013 I hope always in one\u2019s place \u2013 and will always do what one ought<br \/>\nto do, consciously. That is, instead of always trying to know and groping in<br \/>\nthe dark, one will know what one ought to do and do it well. But that is the<br \/>\nwhole difference. Differentiations will be there, each one will have his own<br \/>\nrole, his own place, each one will have his own activity. Don\u2019t think that<br \/>\neverybody will begin to look alike and do the same thing in the same way! That<br \/>\nwould be a terrible world. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>We could say that the difference between the supramental world and<br \/>\nour present world will be this: what you don\u2019t know, you will know, what you<br \/>\ncan\u2019t do, you will be able to do, and what you don\u2019t understand, you will<br \/>\nunderstand, and of what you are unconscious, you will become conscious. But<br \/>\nfundamentally this is the basis of the new creation: to replace ignorance by<br \/>\nknowledge and unconsciousness by consciousness, and weakness by strength. But<br \/>\nthis does not necessarily mean that everything is going to be so mixed up that<br \/>\nit is scarcely recognisable! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Long silence<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Sri Aurobindo has told<br \/>\nus that in the Supermind itself there are different planes of realisation and<br \/>\nthat these planes will manifest successively, with the same progressive<br \/>\nmovement that has always presided over the universal development. And simply<br \/>\nbecause, till today, it is a world that is closed to the greater part of<br \/>\nmankind or hardly half-open to some, it is difficult to conceive of this<br \/>\nprogress in the supramental life, but it will exist; and the moment there is<br \/>\nprogress, there is ascension, and there is a perfection which develops<br \/>\naccording to a law of its own,&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 188<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>which is gradually unveiled<br \/>\nto the consciousness \u2013 <i>even <\/i>to a<br \/>\nfully illumined consciousness \u2013 and works in the truth instead of working in<br \/>\nignorance.\u2026This something \u00b9 which is not there completely, totally, all at once<br \/>\n\u2013 it could almost be said massively \u2013 in the Manifestation but is progressive,<br \/>\nwill follow the same law of development as that of the world we live in now,<br \/>\nbut instead of not knowing where we are going, well, we shall know the way and<br \/>\nfollow it consciously. Instead of standing there imagining or guessing or<br \/>\nspeculating about what ought to be, we shall see where we are going and know<br \/>\nhow to go there. That will be the essential difference. Certainly it will not<br \/>\nbe a dull existence in which everything goes on indefinitely without changing. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I believe there is always a tendency in the human consciousness to<br \/>\nwant to get somewhere, to sit down and feel it is at last all over: \u201cWe have<br \/>\narrived, we settle down and don\u2019t move any more!\u201d That would be a poor type of<br \/>\nSupermind. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>But this ascending,<br \/>\nprogressive movement towards a growing perfection will be still more prominent,<br \/>\ncertainly, and instead of unfolding itself in the darkness where everybody is<br \/>\nblind and gropes along, it will unfold in the light and one will have the joy<br \/>\nof knowing where one is going and what one is doing. That\u2019s all. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>So one must not come<br \/>\nand ask, \u201cWill this be there?\u201d or \u201cWon\u2019t that be there?\u201d There will be many<br \/>\nmore things still than we have now. Every possible thing will be there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">\u00b9 <\/font> <\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">When this talk was first published, Mother defined this \u201csomething\u201d: \u201cThe<br \/>\nunmanifest which will use the supramental world to manifest itself\u201d.<\/font><span><font size=\"2\">\u00a0 <\/font> <\/span><\/span><b><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 189<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<a name=\"03_25 September 1957\"><font size=\"3\">25 September 1957<\/font><\/a><\/span><\/i><\/b><b><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";color:#E2961A'><\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201cA new<br \/>\nhumanity means for us the appearance, the development of a type or race of<br \/>\nmental beings whose principle of mentality would be no longer a mind in the<br \/>\nIgnorance seeking for knowledge but even in its knowledge bound to the<br \/>\nIgnorance, a seeker after Light but not its natural possessor, open to the<br \/>\nLight but not an inhabitant of the Light, not yet a perfected instrument,<br \/>\ntruth-conscious and delivered out of the Ignorance. Instead, it would be<br \/>\npossessed already of what could be called a mind of Light, a mind capable of<br \/>\nliving in the truth, capable of being truth-conscious and manifesting in its<br \/>\nlife a direct in place of an indirect knowledge. Its mentality would be an<br \/>\ninstrument of the Light and no longer of the Ignorance. At its highest it would<br \/>\nbe capable of passing into the supermind and from the new race would be<br \/>\nrecruited the race of supramental beings who would appear as the leaders of the<br \/>\nevolution in earth-nature.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">The<br \/>\nSupramental Manifestation, p. 67 <\/font> <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>This was certainly what he expected of us, what he conceived of as<br \/>\nthe superman who must be the intermediate being between humanity as it is and<br \/>\nthe supramental being created] in the supramental way, that is, no longer<br \/>\nbelonging to animality at all and delivered from all animal needs. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>As we are, we have been created in the ordinary animal way, and<br \/>\ntherefore, even if we transform ourselves, there will remain something of this<br \/>\nanimal origin. The supramental being as he conceived of it, is not formed in<br \/>\nthe ordinary animal way at all] but directly, through a process that for the<br \/>\nmoment still seems occult to us, but is a direct handling of forces and<br \/>\nsubstance in such a way that the body can be a \u201cmaterialisation\u201d and not a&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 190<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>formation according to the ordinary animal principle. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>It is quite obvious<br \/>\nthat intermediate beings are necessary, that it is these intermediate beings<br \/>\nwho must find the means of creating beings of the supermind, and, undoubtedly,<br \/>\nwhen Sri Aurobindo wrote this he was convinced that this is what we must do. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>I think \u2013 I know \u2013<br \/>\nthat it is now certain that we shall realise what he expects of us. It has<br \/>\nbecome no longer a hope but a certainty. Only the time necessary for this<br \/>\nrealisation will be longer or shorter according to our individual effort, our<br \/>\nconcentration, our goodwill\u2026and the importance] we give to this fact. For the<br \/>\ninattentive observer things may appear very much what they were before, but for<br \/>\none who knows how to see and is not deceived by appearances things are going<br \/>\nwell. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Let each one do his<br \/>\nbest and perhaps not many years will have to elapse before the first visible<br \/>\nresults become apparent to all. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>It is for you to know<br \/>\nwhether this interests you more than everything else in the world.\u2026There comes<br \/>\na moment when the body itself finds that there is nothing in the world] which<br \/>\nis so worth living for as this transformation; that there is nothing which can<br \/>\nhave as great an interest as this passionate interest of transformation. It is<br \/>\nas though all the cells of the body were athirst for that Light which wants to<br \/>\nmanifest; they cry out for it, they find an intense joy in it and are sure] of<br \/>\nthe Victory. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>This is the aspiration<br \/>\nthat I am trying to communicate to you, and you will understand that everything<br \/>\nelse in life is dull, insipid, futile, worthless in comparison with that: the<br \/>\ntransformation in the Light.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Page \u2013 191<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"> <span style=\"font-family: Times New Roman;color: #0000FF;font-weight: 700\"><br \/>\n  <font size=\"2\"><br \/>\n<a href=\"\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/09-questions-and-answers-volume-09\/00-Contents-Vol-09-questions-and-answers-volume-09\" style=\"text-decoration: none\">Home<\/a><\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>4 September 1957 &nbsp; \u00a0Today I received a question about a phrase I used on the fourteenth of August, the eve of Sri Aurobindo\u2019s birthday&#8230;.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[120],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4262","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-09-questions-and-answers-volume-09","wpcat-120-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4262","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4262"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4262\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4262"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4262"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4262"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}