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\n7 April 1951<\/font><\/span><\/b>
\n<\/font> <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n


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\nMother reads a
\nquestion put to her in 1929 by an English disciple: <\/span><\/font> <\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

\u201cIf the Divine that is all love is the
\nsource of the creation, whence have come all the evils that abound upon earth?\u201d
\n<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

Questions and Answers 1929 (30 June)
\n<\/font> <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Whence come the
\nevils ?… Who is going to answer me ? A philosophic answer, a scientific
\nanswer, a psychological answer and a poetic answer ! <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

They come from the same source as
\nignorance and obscurity. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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A mystic answer, a
\nreligious answer. Oh ! You have no imagination ! <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

In order that the work on earth may be
\ndone perfectly, the evil forces are sent. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Evil is sent so
\nthat one may perfect oneself? What you say is quite defensible, but this would
\nhave terribly shocked the lady who asked me the question, she would have said,
\n\u201cHow could God have done that, He who is all love ?… The creation was not
\nwell done !\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n

Someone told me
\nafter having read Genesis, \u201dGod took seven days to do all that, then He said
\nthat it was good ! He has a strange opinion !\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

At a certain time, the great Teresa had to
\nface many calamities. She complained to God, saying, \u201cWhy do these things
\nhappen to me, who am full of goodwill ?\u201d<\/span><\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 287<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

Then, it seems, God replied, \u201cIt is thus
\nthat I treat my friends. It is for this reason that we have so little !\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Now we touch the
\nsource of the difficulty. I don’t know if you have understood it, but there is
\na central fault in the question of that lady; she makes God or the Divine a
\npersonality quite independent of his creation. She should have said, \u201cSomeone
\nwho, having the power of creation, has created a world like this, truly, he must
\nbe sadistic\u201d, and she would have been right, wouldn’t she ?.. The question is
\nbadly put, because the Divine spoken about here is not the true Divine, it is
\nthe Divine of religion \u2013 and of a certain kind of religion \u2013 but it is not the
\nDivine as He is at all. <\/span><\/p>\n

\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cAll is from the Divine; but the One
\nConsciousness, the Supreme has not created the world directly out of itself; a
\nPower has gone out from it and has descended through many gradations of its
\nworkings and passed through many agents. There are many creators or rather \u2018formateurs<\/span>\u2019, form-makers, who have presided over the
\ncreation of the world. They are intermediary agents and I prefer to call them \u2018formateurs<\/span>\u2019 and not \u2018creators\u2019; for what they have done is
\nto give the form and turn and nature to matter. There have been many, and some
\nhave formed things harmonious and benignant and some have shaped things
\nmischievous and evil. And some too have been distorters rather than builders,
\nfor they have interfered and spoiled what was begun well by others.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

Questions and Answers 1929 (30 June)<\/font><\/span><\/i> <\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n

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I would not reply
\nin this way now, it is an altogether \u201cadministrative\u201d answer! It is thus that
\ngovernments always reply; they say, \u201cIt is not I who am responsible, it is my
\nagents.\u201d That’s not nice, it is better to take the responsibility upon oneself. <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 288<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

Mother continues her reading which begins with a
\nquestion from the same listener: <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cIs not this material world of ours very
\nlow down in the scale in the system of worlds that form the creation?\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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\u201cOurs is the most material world, but it
\nis not necessarily `low down’, at least, not for that reason; if it is low
\ndown, it is because it is obscure and ignorant, not because it is material. It
\nis a mistake to make `matter’ a synonym for obscurity and ignorance. And the
\nmaterial world too is not the only world in which we live: it is rather one of
\nmany in which we exist simultaneously, and in one way the most important of
\nthem all. For this world of matter is the point of concentration of all the
\nworlds; it is the field of concretisation<\/span> of all the
\nworlds; it is the place where all the worlds will have to manifest. At present
\nit is disharmonious and obscure; but that is only an accident, a false start.
\nOne day it will become beautiful, rhythmic, full of light; for that is the
\nconsummation for which it was made.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

Questions and Answers 1929 (30 June)
\n<\/font> <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

This lady had
\ndefinitely an altogether Chaldean<\/span> idea of God, who
\nfrom nothing made a world (which is badly made, I admit it; if it has been made
\nlike that, it was truly badly made) and yet a God who looks at it and says, \u201cI
\nmade it on purpose,\u201d which crowns the horror of this lady ! <\/span><\/p>\n

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Why is there so
\nmuch misery in the world? Come along, I ask you for a scientific, a philosophic,
\na mystical, a religious, a poetic answer…<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

In order to put in a little variety,
\notherwise it would be too monotonous.<\/span><\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 289<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

This is not a
\npoetic answer \u2013 you must use many images and symbols for that ! You are like
\nthe person who said that if one were not unhappy, one could not be happy,
\nbecause one would not know what it is to be happy ! As others say, \u201cIf there
\nwere no shadow, there would be no light. One would not know what light is if
\nall were light\u201d… and so on. So you say that without unhappiness there would
\nbe no variety in the world? It is a rather lugubrious variety, isn’t it ? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

If everyone were happy the world would be
\nhappy. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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If everybody
\nentered a beatific state the world would be beatific; as a reason, it is very
\ngood. But it is a cure, it is not a cause. You are asked here what the cause
\nis. Whence comes the unhappiness if it is not from God \u2013 who is, of course, all
\nbeneficent and who would never do such a horrible thing ! <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

The world does not exist, it is an
\nillusion of our false consciousness. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Ah ! Try telling
\nthis to someone who is suffering from liver colic, for instance ! <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

The world has been made, somebody said, to
\nteach the poor to suffer and the rich to give. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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That is what I was
\nsaying, isn’t it (laughing), that if there were no misery upon earth what would
\nbecome of philanthropy ?… If we explore all the fields like this, we shall
\nend up perhaps by understanding that all was necessary, otherwise the world
\nwould not have been. This is perhaps one conclusion. No, it is not a
\nconclusion, for it would justify the indefinite perpetuation of what is.<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Why is there imperfection, if the world is
\nas it ought\u00a0 <\/span>to be ?<\/span><\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 290<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

No one has said
\nthat, if so there would be nothing else to do but sit down and not move any
\nmore ! <\/span><\/p>\n

We have already
\ngranted that the world is not what it ought to be and that we are here to work
\nso that it may become what it ought to be. But to know this one must first know
\nwhat it ought to be, isn’t that so? That is the problem. What should the world
\nbe ? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

X: It ought to be aware of the divine
\nconsciousness. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

Y: No suffering in the world. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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When one makes a
\nconstruction, one doesn’t begin by saying, \u201cI don’t want this, I don’t want
\nthat\u201d, else you will never make your construction. You must say what it ought
\nto be, not what it ought not to be. To begin with, what it ought not to be we
\nknow already: that is what it is ! We don’t need to go very far \u2013 such as it
\nis, we don’t want it. So, what should it be ? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

A garden where one plays an eternal game
\nwith the Divine<\/span><\/i>. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

This sounds very
\nfine, it is very good \u2013 \u201cGod is a child playing,\u201d Sri Aurobindo has said.\u00b9 \u00a0<\/span>It seems this has shocked many people. When we
\ntranslated this into French and sent it to <\/span>Europe<\/span>, there were
\npeople who were shocked and said, \u201cWell, He plays at our expense !\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

The world ought to be full of love and
\nlight. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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What light ? What
\nlove ?<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

The divine light. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

\u00b9 \u201cWhat is God, after all? An eternal child playing an
\neternal game in an eternal garden.\u201d <\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n

Thoughts and Glimpses, Cent. Vol. 16, p.
\n381<\/font>\u00a0 
\n<\/font> <\/span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

\nPage – 291<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

When you say
\n\u201cdivine light\u201d, what do you understand by it ? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

The world ought to be receptive. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Receptive to what?
\n<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

It ought to be a constant expression of
\nthe divine Will from which it has separated. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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So, it is the
\nworld which has separated from the Divine. We come to that: the world is
\nmiserable because it has separated from the Divine. Here is an answer which is
\nneither philosophic nor poetic nor… We shall call it a practical expression.
\nAnd how has it managed to separate itself from the Divine, since it is the
\nDivine ?… Now it becomes very complicated. We say, don’t we, that the world
\nis divine and that it is unhappy because it has separated from the Divine. How
\nhas it separated ? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span>            By its ignorance. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Good heavens !
\nFrom where then does the ignorance come ? Ignorance of what ? Ignorance of
\nitself ?<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Ignorance of its origin. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Yes, that means
\nignorance of itself ! This is why everyone is told: \u201cKnow thyself\u201d \u2013 it ought
\nto be that ! <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Is it the world which is ignorant or is it
\nwe ? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Ah ! Then I must
\nask you, \u201cWhat do you call the world ?\u201d Is it the earth or the universe ?<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

The universe.<\/span><\/i> <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 292<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

Then, the whole
\nuniverse is not ignorant \u2013 there are parts of the universe which are not
\nignorant. When you say \u201cwe\u201d you identify yourself with the universe or with
\nmankind? Because this is a very important question. We say the world is unhappy
\nbecause it has forgotten its origin, that is, its divine origin. You say,
\nchild, that we are unhappy because \u201cwe\u201d are ignorant \u2013 the \u201cwe\u201d is men.
\nConsequently, unhappiness has come into the world with men \u2013 here is something
\nserious ! That is, with man mind has come upon earth, you see, for man is a
\nmental animal, and with the mind has come misery. The mind is capable of
\nobjectifying, and so it finds that such and such a thing is miserable \u2013 without
\nthe mind there would be no such discovery and no unhappiness. So, there is no
\nunhappiness for animals nor for plants, and yet less for stones. Are we agreed
\non this: there is no unhappiness for animals, plants and stones ? We say
\nunhappiness has come with the mind which has become conscious of it. Mark that
\nI am trying to lead you to something which is not so stupid, for in the ancient
\nTeaching it was said, \u201cChange your consciousness and what appears to you
\nunfortunate will not so appear to you any longer.\u201d The Buddha taught that if
\nyou are free from desire, things that seemed to you unfortunate would no longer
\nseem to you unfortunate at all. Therefore, we come to this: it is the thought
\nyou have about it which makes you consider this or that thing unfortunate. If
\nyou thought an event happy, it would become happy for you; and that is what it
\nis, in fact. In most cases when the thought has accepted that a thing ought to
\nbe, for whatever reason, it is no longer unhappy; when the thought has not
\naccepted this, it finds this unhappy. So, as long as you are in the field of
\nemotions, of sentiments and thoughts, all this is true. That is, the notion of
\n\u201cunhappiness\u201d has entered the world with the capacity to consider that things
\nwere unfortunate. You follow the logic ? Thus, plants do not suffer because
\nthey do not know that they suffer and animals do not suffer because they do not
\nknow that they suffer. You are sure of it ?\u00a0
\n<\/span>Aren’t you ?<\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 293<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

One sees an expression of pain in their
\neyes. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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 It is said you see
\nin others what you have in yourself ! <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Descartes relates that a lady was beating
\nher dog and saying, \u201cIt does not suffer, it has no soul, this is a reflex.\u201d
\nDescartes maintains that men alone can feel ! <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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I have always been
\ntold that he was an intelligent man ! <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

If unhappiness entered the world with
\nthought, happiness also entered, didn’t it ? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Ah ! Here is logic
\n! When there is unhappiness there is happiness…without unhappiness, no
\nhappiness. How difficult philosophy is !…Has your Mr. Descartes told us from
\nwhere the soul of man has come ? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

He says it is a creation of God. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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The rest of the
\nworld is not a creation of God ? <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

Yes, that also. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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Then, suddenly, he
\nbethought himself that it was necessary to put in his creation something that
\nhe calls \u201ca soul\u201d and he chose this animal, man, to put it in. Then it becomes
\nvery difficult to get out of it… But we were trying to find out what the
\nworld ought to be. It is this we must find, for the minute we know what it
\nought to be, we must start working on this.<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

It must be open to the Force which wants
\nto manifest<\/span><\/i>. <\/span><\/p>\n

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The misfortune is
\nthat it is precisely open to certain forces and manifests them. It is the
\nquality of the Force which matters.<\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 294<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

\u00a0<\/span>The world as it is manifests forces, it does
\nnot exist without a manifestation of forces; but what forces does it manifest ?
\nFor the moment it seems to manifest the forces of obscurity, ignorance,
\ndisharmony, suffering and all the rest. <\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/p>\n

It must have discernment. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

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You mean it should
\nchoose the force which is necessary ? Yes, but this is not the transformation
\nof the world, this is for us. It is we who must have discernment to know which
\nforce we want to manifest, that’s understood. But to come back to our subject,
\nyou all agree that in the world we are going to build, there should not be any
\nsuffering ? You agree ?…You are not quite sure of it ?… Then you are
\nsatisfied with suffering ? I don’t know, perhaps it has its purpose. But, you
\nsee, as long as one is satisfied with a thing, there are many chances that it
\nstays. We have been told in the more or less sacred scriptures that suffering
\ncomes from ignorance; hence if you do not think of getting rid of suffering, it
\nmeans that you want to keep the ignorance also? That becomes very difficult. It
\nis like the artist to whom someone spoke of the future world which would be
\nmade all of light, and he said, \u201cThen I won’t be able to paint any longer\u201d and
\nhe was miserable! Perhaps, indeed, there are many people who cling to their
\nignorance ?…<\/span><\/p>\n

 <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n

It is suffering which makes us conscious
\nof a higher force<\/span><\/i>. <\/span><\/p>\n

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That is true, in
\nmany cases it is like that and that is the apparent justification of suffering.
\nIf human beings did not suffer, perhaps they would never make any progress.
\nAspiration is quite lukewarm when one is perfectly satisfied.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Now then, here we
\nare quite muddled up! Well, this is an exact example of the way the human mind
\nfunctions; and after that there are people who have caught the tail of
\nsomething
\n <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 295<\/span><\/p>\n

<\/p>\n
\n

<\/span><\/div>\n

and are so
\nsatisfied with this tail, they say, \u201cI have the truth, and you ought to believe
\nwhat I tell you, otherwise you will never get out of it.\u201d The fact is that in
\nthe state of your thought at that moment, anyone at all could come to tell you
\n\u201cI have the truth\u201d, and you would be happy to catch on to it to come out of
\nyour confusion…Let’s see, we have two minutes, and during those two minutes
\nwe won’t speak, and all our confusion will disappear. Then we shall disperse.
\nSo, do not talk, try to be as silent as possible for two minutes.
\n <\/span><\/p>\n

(A meditation follows)<\/i><\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n

\nPage – 296<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n

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