{"id":4420,"date":"2013-07-13T01:55:52","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:55:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4420"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:55:52","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:55:52","slug":"31-25-august-vol-06-questions-and-answers-volume-06","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/06-questions-and-answers-volume-06\/31-25-august-vol-06-questions-and-answers-volume-06","title":{"rendered":"-31_25 August.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"Section1\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">25 August 1954<\/font><\/span><\/b><b><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\"><br \/>\n<\/font> <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">This talk is based<br \/>\nupon Chapter 6 of The Mother by Sri Aurobindo. <\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201cThere are other great Personalities of the Divine Mother, but they were<br \/>\nmore difficult to bring down and have not stood out in front with so much<br \/>\nprominence in the evolution of the earth-spirit. There are among them Presences<br \/>\nindispensable for the supramental realisation, \u2013 most of all one who is her<br \/>\nPersonality of that mysterious and powerful ecstasy and Ananda which flows from<br \/>\na supreme divine Love, the Ananda that alone can heal the gulf between the<br \/>\nhighest heights of the supramental spirit and the lowest abysses of Matter, the<br \/>\nAnanda that holds the key of a wonderful divinest Life and even now supports<br \/>\nfrom its secrecies the work of all the other Powers of the universe.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Sweet Mother, what Personality is this and when will she manifest? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I have prepared my answer. I knew someone<br \/>\nwould ask me that, because of all things this is the most interesting in this<br \/>\npassage, and I have prepared my answer. I have prepared my answer to this and<br \/>\nmy answer to another question also. But first I am going to read this one. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>You asked: \u201cWhat personality is this and<br \/>\nwhen will she come?\u201d (Silence)<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>And this<br \/>\nis my reply: <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201c<i>She<br \/>\nhas come<\/i>, bringing with her a splendour of power and love, an intensity of<br \/>\ndivine joy unknown to the earth so far. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>The physical atmosphere was completely<br \/>\nchanged by it, saturated with new and marvellous possibilities.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 291<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But for her to be able to settle and act<br \/>\ndown here, she needed to meet with at least a minimum of receptivity, to find<br \/>\nat least one human being having the requisite qualities in the vital and<br \/>\nphysical nature, a kind of super-Parsifal endowed with a spontaneous and<br \/>\nintegral purity, but at the same time having a strong and balanced body in<br \/>\norder to bear the intensity of the Ananda she had brought without giving way. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Till now she has not obtained what was<br \/>\nnecessary. Men obstinately remain men and do not want to or cannot become<br \/>\nsupermen. They can only receive and express a love cut to their measure \u2013 a human<br \/>\nlove! And the marvellous joy of the divine Ananda escapes their perception. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So, at times, she thinks of withdrawing,<br \/>\nfinding that the world is not ready to receive her. And this would be a cruel<br \/>\nloss. It is true that for the moment her presence is more nominal than active,<br \/>\nfor she does not have the opportunity to manifest herself. But even so, she is<br \/>\na powerful help in the Work. For, of all the aspects of the Mother, this is the<br \/>\none which has the greatest power for the transformations of the body. Indeed,<br \/>\nthe cells which are able to vibrate to the contact of divine joy, to receive<br \/>\nand preserve it, are regenerated cells on the way to becoming immortal. But the<br \/>\nvibration of divine joy and those of pleasure cannot lodge together in the same<br \/>\nvital and physical system. So one must have <i>totally<\/i><br \/>\nrenounced experiencing all pleasure in order to be in a state to receive the<br \/>\nAnanda But very few are those who can renounce pleasure without, by the very<br \/>\nfact, renouncing all participation in active life and plunging into a rigorous<br \/>\nasceticism. And among those who know that it is in active life that the<br \/>\ntransformation must take place, some try to see pleasure as a more or less<br \/>\nwarped form of Ananda, and thus justify in themselves the quest for personal<br \/>\nsatisfaction, creating in themselves an almost insuperable obstacle to their<br \/>\nown transformation.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Shall we stop here? We shall finish next<br \/>\ntime. That will give me time to find out.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 292<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There, then. Now, if you want to ask<br \/>\nsomething&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>(<i>Long silence<\/i>)<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>Speak! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Whoever wants to say something may<br \/>\nspeak&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>anybody who wants to say<br \/>\nsomething, not only the students. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If one has not succeeded, Mother, one can try? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;What?<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If one hasn&#8217;t succeeded so far, one can try? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Oh, one can always try&#8230;<span>\u00a0 <\/span>The world is recreated at every moment. You<br \/>\ncan recreate a new world this very moment if you know how to create it, that<br \/>\nis, if you are capable of changing your nature. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I have not said that she has gone away. I<br \/>\nsaid that she thinks of going away, sometimes, from time to time. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But, Mother, she came down because she must have seen some possibility! <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Eh? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>She came down because there was a<br \/>\npossibility, because things had come to a certain stage and the time had come<br \/>\nwhen she could descend. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>In fact she came down because I thought it<br \/>\nwas possible that&#8230; she could succeed. (Silence) There are always<br \/>\npossibilities, only&#8230; they must materialise. You see, a proof of what I told<br \/>\nyou is that it happened at a given moment and during&#8230; for two or three weeks,<br \/>\nthe atmosphere, not only of the Ashram but of the earth, was surcharged with<br \/>\nsuch power, precisely, with so intense a divine joy, which creates so wonderful<br \/>\na power that things which were difficult to do before could be done almost<br \/>\ninstantaneously! There were repercussions in the whole world. I don&#8217;t think<br \/>\nthere was one among you who was aware of it. You<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 293<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>couldn&#8217;t even tell me when it happened,<br \/>\ncould you?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>When did it happen?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'> (Laughter) <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I don&#8217;t know the dates. I don&#8217;t know. I<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t remember dates. I could tell you approximately, like that&#8230;<span>\u00a0 <\/span>(Silence)<span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span>Perhaps if I consult my papers I would find the dates. But I don&#8217;t know<br \/>\nthe dates. These, for me, are things which&#8230;<span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span>All I know is that it happened before Sri Aurobindo left the body, that<br \/>\nhe had been told beforehand and recognised the fact&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Silence<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There was a terrible fight with the<br \/>\ninconscient; for, as I saw that the receptivity was not what it ought to be, I<br \/>\nput the responsibility for it on the inconscient and it was there that I tried<br \/>\nto give battle. I don&#8217;t say that this had no result, but between the result<br \/>\nobtained and the result hoped for, there was a great difference.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But I tell you this, you see&#8230; you are<br \/>\nall so close, you bathe in the atmosphere, but&#8230; who was aware of anything?<br \/>\nYou continued to live your little life as usual, didn&#8217;t you?<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Silence<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I think it was in 1946, Mother, for you told us so many things at that<br \/>\ntime! <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Right!<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Long<br \/>\nsilence<\/i>)&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Sweet Mother, now that she has come, what should we do?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 294<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Eh? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>What should we do? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>You do not know? You&#8230; (Silence) Try to<br \/>\nchange your consciousness.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Long<br \/>\nsilence<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There! Now ask the questions you wanted to<br \/>\nask me&#8230; (<i>Turning to a child<\/i>)<br \/>\nNothing to say? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Mother, there isn&#8217;t even a single person? <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Eh?<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There isn&#8217;t even a single person? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I don&#8217;t know! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So you waste your time with all these people in the Ashram now? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Oh, but you see, from the occult point of<br \/>\nview, it is a selection! From the external point of view you may tell me that<br \/>\nthere are people in the world who are much superior to you, I won&#8217;t contradict<br \/>\nyou. But from the occult point of view it is a selection. There are<br \/>\nhere&#8230;<span>\u00a0 <\/span>one can say without being<br \/>\nmistaken that most of the young people who are here have come because they have<br \/>\nbeen promised that they will be here at the time of the Realisation. They do<br \/>\nnot remember this. (<i>Mother laughs.<\/i>) I<br \/>\nhave already said quite often that when one comes down upon earth he falls<br \/>\nheadlong and this stuns him. (Laughter) It&#8217;s a pity. But still, one can get out<br \/>\nof this stupefaction, can&#8217;t he? What is necessary is to enter into oneself,<br \/>\nfind the immortal conscious-&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 295<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>ness within, and then one becomes very<br \/>\nkeenly aware, one can remember very clearly the circumstances in which he<br \/>\naspired to be here when the Work is accomplished. But after all, to tell the<br \/>\ntruth, I think you have such an easy life that you don&#8217;t take much trouble!&#8230;<br \/>\nAre there many among you who really feel an intense need] to find your psychic<br \/>\nbeing, to know what you really are, what you have to do, why you are here? One<br \/>\njust goes on living or even complains when things are not too easy. And then<br \/>\none takes like that things as they come, and sometimes, if some aspiration<br \/>\narises and one meets a difficulty in oneself, one says, \u201cOh, Mother is there,<br \/>\nshe will manage this for me\u201d, and then thinks of something else! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But Mother, formerly you were very strict in the Ashram; now you are<br \/>\nnot, why? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes. I have always said this: that<br \/>\nhappened since we were obliged to admit little children. You can&#8217;t imagine an<br \/>\nascetic life with little children of this height! (Gesture) It is not possible.<br \/>\nThat was the gift of the war! When people found out that Pondicherry was the<br \/>\nsafest place on earth, naturally&#8230;<span>\u00a0 <\/span>when<br \/>\npeople came with a flock of babies, and asked if they could find shelter, as<br \/>\nthey could not be sent back, well!&#8230; That&#8217;s how it happened, not otherwise. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>At the beginning, first of all, the first<br \/>\ncondition was that one no longer had anything to do with one&#8217;s family; if a man<br \/>\nwas married, he had to be totally unaware from that moment that he had a wife<br \/>\nand children, to cut off all relationship; he had nothing to do with them. And<br \/>\nif ever a woman asked to come because her husband was here, she was told, \u201cYou<br \/>\nhave no business here.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>At the beginning we were very, very, very<br \/>\nstrict. For a long time the first condition was this: \u201cYou have no longer<br \/>\nanything to do with your family.\u201d Well, we are now far from that, aren&#8217;t we?<br \/>\nAnd I tell you it was only in this way that it happened. It<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 296<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>doesn&#8217;t mean that we didn&#8217;t see that it<br \/>\nwas necessary; it was a very necessary condition. So long as one keeps all the<br \/>\nties which bind one to life, you understand, which make you a slave of the<br \/>\nordinary life, how can you belong only to the Divine? That&#8217;s childishness, it<br \/>\nis not possible! But if you take the trouble to read the first rules of the<br \/>\nAshram, even friendship among people was considered dangerous and not very<br \/>\ndesirable. We had tried to create an atmosphere where only one thing counted,<br \/>\nthe divine life. But as I said, you know, little by little&#8230; it has changed.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>This has one advantage. We were too much<br \/>\noutside life. Many problems did not occur which, when the full manifestation is<br \/>\nwanted, would suddenly appear. We have taken up the problems a little too soon.<br \/>\nBut it was necessary to solve them. One learns many things in this way. Many<br \/>\ndifficulties are overcome. But it becomes more complicated. And perhaps, in the<br \/>\npresent condition, with such a large number of elements which don&#8217;t have the<br \/>\nleast idea of the purpose for which they are here&#8230; it asks much more effort<br \/>\nfrom the disciples than before. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Formerly, you see, we began with<br \/>\nthirty-five, thirty-six; but even till a hundred and fifty, even till a hundred<br \/>\nand fifty it was so like&#8230; they were as though held in an egg-shell in my<br \/>\nconsciousness, so close, you know, that I could direct all their movements,<br \/>\nboth inner and outer, all the time, everything was under complete control, at<br \/>\nevery moment, night and day. And naturally, I believe, in those days they made<br \/>\nsome progress. It was altogether true that I did the sadhana for them, all the<br \/>\ntime! But then, you see, with this invasion, one can&#8217;t do sadhana for little<br \/>\nchits of three or four or five, you understand. It is out of the questions; all<br \/>\nI can do is to put the consciousness upon them and try to see that they grow up<br \/>\nin the best possible conditions. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So, this has an advantage. It is that<br \/>\ninstead of being so totally and passively dependent, each one must make his own<br \/>\nlittle effort and, truly speaking, this is excellent!<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 297<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I don&#8217;t remember now to whom I said today \u2013<br \/>\nI think it was a \u201cbirthday\u201d person&#8230; No, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; it was someone who<br \/>\ntold me he was eighteen. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It is Jay<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Yes, I know it is her birthday today. But<br \/>\nI don&#8217;t know if it was to her I said it. I said it to someone this morning. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I said that between the age of eighteen<br \/>\nand twenty I had attained a conscious and constant union with the divine<br \/>\nPresence and that I had done it <i>all<br \/>\nalone, with absolutely nobody<\/i> to help me, not even books, you understand!<br \/>\nWhen I found one \u2013 here came to my hands a little later Vivekananda&#8217;s <i>Raja Yoga<\/i> \u2013 it seemed to me so wonderful<br \/>\na thing, you see, that someone could explain something to me. This made me gain<br \/>\nin a few months what would have perhaps taken me years to do. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I met a man. I was perhaps twenty-one<br \/>\nthen, I think, either twenty or twenty-one. I met a man who was an Indian, who came<br \/>\nfrom here, and he spoke to me about the Gita There was a translation, which, by<br \/>\nthe way, was quite bad, and he advised me to read it and gave me the key \u2013 his key,<br \/>\nit was his key \u2013 he told me: \u201cRead the Gita, this translation of the Gita which<br \/>\nis not up to much, but still that&#8217;s the only one in French.\u201d At that time I<br \/>\nwouldn&#8217;t have been able to understand anything in any other language. Besides,<br \/>\nthe English translations were as bad and I did not have&#8230;<span>\u00a0 <\/span>Sri Aurobindo had not yet written his. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>He said, \u201cRead the Gita, and take <\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Krishna<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'> as the symbol of the immanent God, the<br \/>\ninner Godhead.\u201d This was all that he told me. He said to me, \u201cRead it with that<br \/>\n\u2013 the knowledge that <\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Krishna<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'> represents the immanent God in the Gita, the God who is within you.\u201d<br \/>\nWell, in one month the whole work was done! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Now you, just see, you have been here<br \/>\nsince your very childhood, some of you, everything has been explained to you,<br \/>\nthe<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 298<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>whole work has almost been chewed up for<br \/>\nyou, you have been \u2013 not only with words but with psychic aids, with all kinds<br \/>\nof&#8230; in all possible ways \u2013 you have been put on the path to this inner<br \/>\ndiscovery, and still you let yourselves live, like that&#8230; (Gesture) it will<br \/>\ncome when it comes&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>if you think<br \/>\nabout it at all! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There, then. But this does not at all<br \/>\ndiscourage me. Why, I find it&#8230; quite amusing. Only, there are other things<br \/>\nwhich I find much more serious. That is when you try to deceive<br \/>\nyourselves&#8230;<span>\u00a0 <\/span>That indeed is not nice.<br \/>\nYou must not take one thing for another. As it is said, you must call a spade a<br \/>\nspade, and human instinct human instinct, and not speak to me about divine<br \/>\nthings when they are purely human. There! You must not pretend to have<br \/>\nsupramental experiences when you are living in an altogether ordinary<br \/>\nconsciousness. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So here we are. If you see yourself face<br \/>\nto face and know what you are like, and if by chance you make up your<br \/>\nmind&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I am even astonished that you don&#8217;t feel<br \/>\nan intense need for it: \u201cHow can one know?\u201d For you know \u2013 you have been told,<br \/>\ntold repeatedly, it has been dinned into your ears \u2013 you know that you have a<br \/>\ndivine consciousness within you, and you can sleep night after night and play<br \/>\nday after day and learn day after day, and not have the enthusiasm and intense<br \/>\nwill to enter into contact with yourself, yes, with yourself, here within!&#8230; (<i>Mother points to the centre of her chest.<\/i>)<br \/>\nThis, this indeed, is beyond me!<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>The first time I knew \u2013 and nobody told me<br \/>\nthis, I knew it by experience<span>\u00a0 <\/span>the first<br \/>\ntime I knew that there was a discovery to make within me, well, that was the<br \/>\nmost important thing. This had to be put before everything. And when I found,<br \/>\nas I said, a book, a man, just to give me a little indication, to tell me,<br \/>\n\u201cHere you are. If you do this the path will open before you\u201d, why, I rushed<br \/>\nheadlong like a&#8230; like a cyclone, and nothing could have stopped me. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>And how many years you have been here,<br \/>\nhalf asleep! You<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 299<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>think about it, of course, from time to<br \/>\ntime, especially when I speak to you about it; at times when you read. But that<br \/>\nardour, that will which conquers all obstacles, that concentration which<br \/>\novercomes everything! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Who asked me just now what you should do? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Well, this is what you should do, my<br \/>\nchild. I have just told you. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Sweet Mother, how can we be plastic to your touch? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I can&#8217;t hear! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>How can we become plastic to your touch? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Oh, plastic? When you are full of<br \/>\ngoodwill, when you know that you know nothing, that you have everything to<br \/>\nlearn, then you begin to become a little plastic and when there is a force<br \/>\nwhich puts a pressure, you answer. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But, you see, the description here&#8230; you<br \/>\nhave only to take the book and re-read the last description, that&#8217;s all. It is<br \/>\na very exact picture of the condition people are in. That&#8217;s on the last<br \/>\npage&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>the description of the<br \/>\nphysical, the description of the mind, of the vital, all that is here; besides,<br \/>\nhe gives it very often, doesn&#8217;t he? (<i>Long<br \/>\nsilence. Mother takes the book and looks for the paragraph.<\/i>) Here it is, in<br \/>\nthis paragraph: \u201cBut be on your guard and do not try to understand and judge<br \/>\nthe Divine Mother by your little earthly mind that loves to subject even the<br \/>\nthings that are beyond it to its own norms and standards, its narrow reasonings<br \/>\nand erring impression, its bottomless aggressive ignorance and its petty<br \/>\nself-confident knowledge.\u201d This you may re-read from time to time, it will<br \/>\nbring you back to your good see. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There we are. Is that all? Nothing more to<br \/>\nask? Nobody<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 300<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>has anything to ask? Whoever wants to speak<br \/>\nthis evening may do so. (<i>To a child<\/i>) You<br \/>\nhave nothing to say? Nor you? No one? Nobody is saying a word! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Doesn&#8217;t ascetic discipline help us to overcome attachment? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No, it inflates and strengthens your<br \/>\npride. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But you said, \u201cRenounce pleasure.\u201d Then&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Renounce pleasure&#8230; but it isn&#8217;t through<br \/>\nan ascetic discipline that one renounces pleasure! It is through an inner<br \/>\nillumination and a kind of sublimation of the being<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;which makes you feel all<br \/>\nthat is gross and obscure and unpleasant in pleasure. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If we are living in gross pleasures, how should we overcome them? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But you are not living exclusively in<br \/>\ngross pleasure; otherwise, I suppose you wouldn&#8217;t be here. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But everything is pleasure, isn&#8217;t it? Pleasure, that means&#8230;pleasure.<br \/>\nWe live comfortably, we eat, etc. All that, isn&#8217;t that pleasure? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Surprised<\/i>)<br \/>\nYou do all that for pleasure? (Laughter) That&#8217;s perhaps your conception, I have<br \/>\nnothing to tell you. If you can&#8217;t feel the difference between something<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;that<br \/>\naspires to a higher life and something which finds itself altogether comfortable<br \/>\nin the ordinary life, well, I cannot help you. You must first have found that<br \/>\nin<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;yourself. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But doesn&#8217;t some outer discipline help? <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 301<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If you impose a discipline upon yourself<br \/>\nand if it isn&#8217;t too stupid, it may help you. A discipline, I tell you \u2013 disciplines,<br \/>\ntapasyas, all ascetic disciplines are, as ordinarily practised, the best means<br \/>\nof making you proud, of building up in you such a terrific pride that never,<br \/>\nnever will you be converted. It will have to be broken down with<br \/>\nhammer-strokes. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>The first condition is a healthy humility<br \/>\nwhich makes you realise that unless you are sustained, nourished, helped,<br \/>\nenlightened, guided by the Divine, you are nothing at all. There now. When you<br \/>\nhave felt that, not only understood it with your mind, but felt it down to your<br \/>\nvery body, then you will begin to be wise, but not before.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>What is that other thing, Mother, that you have written? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I thought someone would ask me, \u201cWhy<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t she stay because of you, since she has come at your call; why doesn&#8217;t<br \/>\nshe stay because of you?\u201d But I have not been asked this. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Tell us, Mother! <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>For her this body is only one instrument<br \/>\namong so many others in the eternity of times to come, not having for her any<br \/>\nother importance than what is given to it by the earth and men and the measure<br \/>\nin which it can serve as an intermediary to help in her manifestation and in<br \/>\nher diffusion. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If I am surrounded by people who cannot<br \/>\nreceive her, I am useless \u2013 for her. This is very clear. So it is not that<br \/>\nwhich will make her stay; and it is certainly not for any selfish reason that I<br \/>\ncan ask her to stay. And then, all those aspects, all those personalities<br \/>\nconstantly manifest, but never manifest for personal reasons. Not a single one<br \/>\namong them has ever thought of helping my body and I do not ask them, for they<br \/>\ndo not come 0for that. But it is obvious that if I had around me receptivity<br \/>\nand&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 302<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>they could constantly manifest because<br \/>\nthere were people capable of receiving, this would help my body enormously.<br \/>\nFor, you see, all the vibrations would go through my body, and that would help<br \/>\nit. But she has no opportunity to manifest, she has no chance. She only meets<br \/>\npeople who don&#8217;t even feel that she is here, they are not even aware of it. It<br \/>\nmakes no difference at all to them! So, how could she manifest? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>And I am not going to ask her, \u201cIf you<br \/>\nplease, come and change my body.\u201d We don&#8217;t have that kind of relation&#8230; and<br \/>\nthe body itself would not want it. It has never thought of itself, it has never<br \/>\ncared for itself. And it is only through work that it can be transformed. Yes,<br \/>\nsurely, when she came, if there had been a receptivity and if she could have<br \/>\nmanifested with the power she came with&#8230;<span>\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span>Even before her arrival&#8230; I can tell you one thing, that is, when I<br \/>\nbegan with Sri Aurobindo to descend for the yoga, to descend from the mind into<br \/>\nthe vital, when we brought down our yoga from the mind into the vital, within<br \/>\none month \u2013 I was forty at that time, I didn&#8217;t look old, I looked younger than<br \/>\nforty, but still I was forty \u2013 and after a month&#8217;s yoga I looked exactly<br \/>\neighteen. And someone who had seen me before, who had lived with me in <\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Japan<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'> and came here, found it difficult to<br \/>\nrecognise me. He asked me, \u201cBut really, is it you?\u201d I said, \u201cObviously!\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Only when we descended from the vital into<br \/>\nthe physical, then it was gone, for in the physical the work is much harder. It<br \/>\nwas because there were many more things to change. But if a force like that<br \/>\ncould be manifested and received, it would have a tremendous action! Still, you<br \/>\nsee, it is&#8230; I am speaking about it because I thought you would ask the<br \/>\nquestions&#8230; otherwise it is not&#8230; I am not in that kind of relation. You see,<br \/>\nI mean, you take my body, this poor body; it is quite harmless, it does not at<br \/>\nall try to draw either any attention or the forces, nor even to do anything<br \/>\nelse except its work as well as it can. And that&#8217;s how it is, you know. Its<br \/>\nimportance for the work is in proportion to 0its usefulness and the importance<br \/>\nthe world gives it, be-&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 303<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>cause the action is for this world. In<br \/>\nitself it is one body among countless others. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If you could have taken a small decision<br \/>\nto feel your psychic, I wouldn&#8217;t have wasted my time. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>That&#8217;s all. There we are! Now it is over. <\/span><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 304<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>25 August 1954 &nbsp; This talk is based upon Chapter 6 of The Mother by Sri Aurobindo. &nbsp; \u201cThere are other great Personalities of the&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[125],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4420","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-06-questions-and-answers-volume-06","wpcat-125-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4420","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4420"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4420\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4420"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4420"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4420"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}