{"id":4453,"date":"2013-07-13T01:56:06","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4453"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:56:06","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:06","slug":"20-09-june-vol-06-questions-and-answers-volume-06","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/06-questions-and-answers-volume-06\/20-09-june-vol-06-questions-and-answers-volume-06","title":{"rendered":"-20_09 June.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">9 June 1954<\/font><\/span><\/b><b><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\"><br \/>\n<\/font> <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">This talk is based upon Sri Aurobindo&#8217;s<br \/>\nElements <\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">of Yoga, Chapter 11, \u201cTransformations\u201d.<br \/>\n<\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201cQ: When a sadhak gets dreams signifying some spiritual truth, does it<br \/>\nnot indicate that his nature is getting transformed?\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201cA: Not necessarily. It shows that he has more<br \/>\nconsciousness than ordinary people, but dreams do not transform the nature.\u201d <\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If you read a book it will help you to<br \/>\ntransform yourself. But it is not the book which will transform you. A dream is<br \/>\nan indication, it gives you the exact picture of what is going on within you,<br \/>\nof the state you are in, of the state of your surroundings, and with these<br \/>\nindications you can do what is necessary to transform yourself. But it is not<br \/>\nthe dream that will transform you. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Now&#8230; One says always the same thing&#8230;<br \/>\nThere is a difference between what is said and what is done. I could read this<br \/>\nsentence to you a hundred times; there are some sentences here, you know&#8230; I<br \/>\nhave told you this so often, so often, so often, and he says it so clearly,<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t he? What are these things? (<i>Mother<br \/>\nturns the pages once again, searching for the sentences.<\/i>) I am going to<br \/>\nrepeat them to you, I shall repeat them to you a hundred times, but unless you<br \/>\ndecide that you have&#8230; (<i>there is a<br \/>\nsudden noise, a cracking in the tape-recorder; Mother laughs and says:<\/i> ) It<br \/>\nis we who are creating the lightning now! (Laughter) Ah! Where is this? (<i>To a child<\/i>) Do you know? (<i>Mother continues turning the pages and finds<br \/>\nthe sentence<\/i>). Here we are! <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><sup><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">1 <\/font> <\/span><\/sup><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">Sri Aurobindo wrote that one of the \u201cthree fundamental<br \/>\nobstacles\u201d which stand in the way of transformations is \u201cEgoism \u2013 the mind<br \/>\nclinging to its own ideas, the vital preferring its own desires to a true<br \/>\nsurrender, the physical adhering to its own habits.\u201d<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"2\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 157<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>\u201cThe mind clinging to its own ideas\u201d! See,<br \/>\nhow many times I have told you this! \u201cThe vital preferring its own desires\u201d!<br \/>\nAnd then the mind becomes the accomplice of the vital and gives admirable<br \/>\nexplanations for keeping the desires by reasoning, explaining, giving<br \/>\njustifications also, and all these things are very useful to it. I have heard<br \/>\npeople say that the best way to get rid of desires is to satisfy them. They<br \/>\nmake a theory of it. You continue to satisfy your desires and then, naturally,<br \/>\nyou have others, for desires \u2013 well, one replaces another very easily, and you<br \/>\ncontinue to satisfy the new ones under the idea that you are going to get<br \/>\ncured. That will take you at least a hundred lives! <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>And then, finally, habits!&#8230; There is a<br \/>\ncharming phrase here \u2013 I appreciated it fully \u2013 in which Sri Aurobindo is<br \/>\nasked, \u201cWhat is meant by the physical adhering to its own habits&#8217;?\u201d What are the<br \/>\nhabits which the physical must throw off? It is this <i>terrible, frightful<\/i> preference for the food you were used to when<br \/>\nyou were very young, the food you ate in the country where you were born and<br \/>\nabout which you feel when you no longer get it that you have not anything at<br \/>\nall to eat, that you are miserable. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I don&#8217;t know, I believe there won&#8217;t be a<br \/>\ndozen people here who have come to the Ashram and eaten the food of the Ashram<br \/>\nwithout saying, \u201cOh! I am not used to this food. It is very difficult.\u201d And how<br \/>\nmany, how many hundreds of people who prepare their own food because they<br \/>\ncannot eat the food of the Ashram! (<i>Mother<br \/>\nslams the book down on the stool.<\/i>) And then, they justify this! So it is<br \/>\nhere that these ideas begin to come, and they say, \u201cMy health! I can&#8217;t digest<br \/>\nwell!\u201d All this is only in their head. There is not a word of truth in it.<span>\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">NOT<br \/>\nONE WORD OF TRUTH<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><br \/>\n. It is a perpetual lie in which everybody lives, and in this matter, indeed, I<br \/>\nmay tell you what I think, you have not advanced any farther than the mass of<br \/>\nhuman beings. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I make an exception for the very, very,<br \/>\nvery rare ones who are not like that. They could be counted on one&#8217;s fingers.<br \/>\nAnd all, all justify this, all, all \u2013 \u201cOh, my poor children! They are<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 158<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>not used to eating this food. How shall we<br \/>\nmanage? They will die because of this change of food!\u201d Well, I, indeed, can<br \/>\ngive a remedy for that. You take a boat, take a train and go round the world<br \/>\nseveral times, you are obliged to eat in each country the food of that country,<br \/>\nand after you have done this several times, you will understand your<br \/>\nstupidity&#8230; It is a stupidity. A frightful <i>tamas<\/i>.<br \/>\nOne is tied up there like this (Mother <i>makes<br \/>\na movement with her hands<\/i>) to one&#8217;s gastric habits. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Now I have said what was on my mind! You may<br \/>\nask questions.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(Silence)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;No questions? <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Mother, you have said in [it Prayers and Meditations]: \u201cWhat must happen<br \/>\nwill happen.\u201d Then why should we make personal efforts? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><span>\u00a0<\/span>\u201cWhat must happen will happen\u201d? You know what<br \/>\nI meant? \u2013 that there have been prophecies from the beginning of the world that<br \/>\nthere will be a new earth and a new human race and that the Divine will be<br \/>\nmanifest upon earth: and so I tell you, what must happen, will happen; what has<br \/>\nbeen predicted, will be realised. There we are, it is that, it is not a small<br \/>\nlittle explanation, quite down-to-earth, not at all! <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>After<br \/>\na silence<\/i>) Nobody has any questions? I have squashed all your questions at<br \/>\none stroke! (Laughter)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Sweet Mother, those who have made this prophecy, are they, are<br \/>\nthey&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>They are the ones who will realise it, my<br \/>\nchild. It is those who have made it who will realise it and who have been<br \/>\nworking for that through centuries. And so?<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 159<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But, I wanted to say, did they have the same vision as Sri Aurobindo?<br \/>\nThe Supermind? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>If you had understood what I told you, you<br \/>\nwould not have put this question! <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Is that all? We are sheltered, it is not<br \/>\nraining, it is quite comfortable. It does not awaken your desire to know<br \/>\nsomething, does it? Or are you afraid of another rebuff? (Laughter)<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>What is the work of the psychic being? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>What is the work of the psychic being? You<br \/>\nwant it to have some work? What do you want to say exactly? What is its function?<br \/>\nAh! very well. One could put it this way, that it is like an electric wire that<br \/>\nconnects the generator with the lamp. Now, if someone has understood, let him<br \/>\nexplain what I said! <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>What is the generator and what the lamp? (Laughter) <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Ah, there we are! So, what is the<br \/>\ngenerator and what the lamp? That is exactly it. What is the generator and what<br \/>\nthe lamp? Or rather, who is the generator and who is the lamp? <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>The generator is the Divine and the lamp is the body. <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>It is the body, it is the visible being. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So, that is its function. This means that<br \/>\nif there were no psychic in Matter, it would not be able to have any direct<br \/>\ncontact with the Divine. And it is happily due to this psychic presence in<br \/>\nMatter that the contact between Matter and the Divine can be direct and all<br \/>\nhuman beings can be told, \u201cYou carry the Divine within you, and you have only<br \/>\nto enter within yourself and you will find Him.\u201d It is something very<br \/>\nparticular to the human being or rather to the inhabitants of the earth. In the<br \/>\nhuman being the psychic becomes more conscious, more formed,<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 160<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>more conscious and more independent also.<br \/>\nIt is individualised in human beings. But it is a speciality of the earth. It<br \/>\nis a direct infusion, special and redeeming, in the most inconscient and<br \/>\nobscure Matter, so that it might once again awake through stages to the divine<br \/>\nConsciousness, the divine Presence and finally to the Divine Himself. It is the<br \/>\npresence of the psychic which makes man an exceptional being \u2013 I don&#8217;t like to<br \/>\ntell him this very much, because already he thinks too much of himself; he has<br \/>\nsuch a high opinion of himself that it is not necessary to encourage him! But<br \/>\nstill, this is a fact \u2013 so much so that there are beings of other domains of<br \/>\nthe universe, those called by some people demigods and even gods, beings, for<br \/>\ninstance, of what Sri Aurobindo calls the Overmind, who are very eager to take<br \/>\na physical body on earth to have the experience of the psychic, for they don&#8217;t<br \/>\nhave it. These beings certainly have many qualities that men don&#8217;t, but they<br \/>\nlack this divine presence, which is altogether exceptional and exists only on<br \/>\nthe earth and nowhere else. All these inhabitants of the higher worlds, the<br \/>\nHigher Mind, Overmind and other regions have no psychic being. Of course, the<br \/>\nbeings of the vital worlds don&#8217;t have it either. But these latter don&#8217;t regret<br \/>\nit they don&#8217;t want it. There are only those very rare ones, quite exceptional,<br \/>\nwho want to be converted, and for this they act without delay, they immediately<br \/>\ntake a physical body. The others don&#8217;t want it; it is something, which binds<br \/>\nthem and constrains them to a rule they do not want. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>But it is a fact, so I am obliged to state<br \/>\nthat this is how it is, that it is an exceptional quality of the human being to<br \/>\ncarry within himself the psychic and, truly speaking, he does not take full<br \/>\nadvantage from it. He does not seem to consider this quality as something very,<br \/>\nvery desirable, from the way he treats this presence \u2013 exactly that! He prefers<br \/>\nto it the ideas of his mind, prefers the desires of his vital being and the<br \/>\nhabits of his physical. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I don&#8217;t know how many of you have read the<br \/>\nBible; it is not very entertaining to read it, and besides, it is very long,<br \/>\nbut<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 161<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>still, in the Bible there is a story I<br \/>\nhave always liked very much. There were two brothers, if I am not mistaken,<br \/>\nEsau and Jacob. Well, Esau was very hungry, that&#8217;s the story, isn&#8217;t it? I<br \/>\nbelieve he was a hunter or something; anyway, the story goes like this. He came<br \/>\nback home very hungry, and told Jacob he was very hungry, and he was so hungry<br \/>\nthat he said to him, \u201cListen, if you give me your mess of pottage\u201d (Jacob had<br \/>\nprepared some stew), \u201cif you give me your mess of pottage I will give you my<br \/>\nbirthright.\u201d You know, one can understand the story quite superficially, but it<br \/>\nhas a very profound meaning: the birthright is the right of being the son of<br \/>\nGod. And so he was quite ready to give up his divine right because he was<br \/>\nhungry, for a concrete, material thing, for food. This is a very old story, but<br \/>\nit is eternally true. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Ask something else. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Mother, the Ashram has been here for a long time; and you say the people<br \/>\nwho have done something could be counted on your fingers&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>No, no, I didn&#8217;t say that. (Laughter) I<br \/>\nwas speaking only of food. I was speaking of those who came here and who did<br \/>\nnot begin, you understand, who did not&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/span>The story is very interesting. There are people who come, full of<br \/>\ngoodwill, moreover \u2013 I think I have written this somewhere in the <i>Bulletin<\/i> \u2013 their goodwill is so overflowing<br \/>\nthat when they arrive everything is perfect, including the food. They find it<br \/>\nvery good as long as they are in their psychic consciousness. When [it that]<br \/>\nbegins to go down, the old habits begin to rise up; you understand, when the<br \/>\npsychic consciousness comes down, the old habits climb back into their place.<br \/>\nAnd then they begin saying: \u201cIt is strange! I used to like this, but I don&#8217;t<br \/>\nlike it any more; it has become bad, this food!\u201d This is an intermediary<br \/>\nperiod, and later, after some time, more or less shyly according to their<br \/>\nnature they say (<i>Mother begins whispering<\/i>),<br \/>\n\u201cCouldn&#8217;t I have my personal<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 162<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>food? For&#8230; I don&#8217;t know, my stomach does<br \/>\nnot digest this!\u201d (Laughter) Well, I say that among the people in the Ashram, I<br \/>\nam not sure&#8230;<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>but there are very, very<br \/>\nfew who haven&#8217;t done that. And those who have told themselves, \u201cOh, as for me,<br \/>\nit is all the same to me, I eat what I am given, and I don&#8217;t bother about it\u201d \u2013<br \/>\nthese, indeed, can truly be counted on your fingers. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>One must look at the thing very clearly,<br \/>\nyou understand, for there are some who do not dare to speak, many do not dare<br \/>\nto say anything, except when they are a little indisposed or really have a<br \/>\nstomach-ache or they think they have a stomach-ache and go to see a doctor. The<br \/>\ndoctor tells them, \u201cOh, try this or try that and see\u201d just the things they were<br \/>\naccustomed to eating. The doctor begins by asking them, \u201cWhat were you used to<br \/>\neating formerly?\u201d (Laughter) \u201cWeren&#8217;t you used to taking this?\u201d (Laughter) In<br \/>\nthis way. Then naturally, immediately they say, \u201cYes, yes, yes, I think that<br \/>\nwill do me good!\u201d (Laughter)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>So, now! (Mother looks at the child who<br \/>\nhad put the questions.)<span>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>I meant, are all the efforts then in vain? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>My child, I hope not! The questions of<br \/>\nfood is just one questions \u2013 I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s secondary, for it is very<br \/>\nsymptomatic \u2013 it is altogether&#8230; it is related to the most physical<br \/>\nconsciousness, and from that point of view it expresses very well the physical<br \/>\ncondition. But indeed, this poor body! One must be a little patient with it. It<br \/>\nis not that which discourages me \u2013 if I could be discouraged \u2013 it is the vital.<br \/>\nOh! Really, with its accomplice, the mind, these two rascals together, taking<br \/>\neach other&#8217;s support, making excuses and presenting to you such a marvellous<br \/>\npicture of your own difficulties in order to justify them \u2013 that, indeed, is<br \/>\nterrible. From this point of view Sri Aurobindo wrote a little rule which for<br \/>\nsome time we had put up everywhere. But, I believe, it must have disappeared<br \/>\nnow or else people are so used to it that they no longer even look at it. It<br \/>\nsaid: \u201cAlways behave<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 163<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>as if the Mother was looking at you,\u201d and<br \/>\nSri Aurobindo added, \u201cbecause she is, indeed, always present.\u201d Still these<br \/>\nphysical eyes&#8230; \u201cNo, no, no, she is not there\u201d, and so the first instinct is<br \/>\nto hide things. Not only does one do everything that one wouldn&#8217;t do before me,<br \/>\nbut as one doesn&#8217;t at all believe the last part of Sri Aurobindo&#8217;s sentence,<br \/>\nthat even though I am not there physically, perhaps still I know how things<br \/>\nare, so the first instinct is to hide things, and the moment one enters that<br \/>\npath, it is like stepping into quicksand. One goes down, down, down; it seizes<br \/>\nyou, swallows you up, it draws you down in such a way that it is very difficult<br \/>\nto come out of it. Of all things this is the worst: \u201cAh, provided that Mother<br \/>\ndoes not know!\u201d And so it begins like that and that&#8217;s the end. Well, I hope not<br \/>\nmany among you tell lies, but still, usually the end of the curve is that! And<br \/>\nso, you understand, this is one of those stupidities without equal; for \u2013 I am<br \/>\ngoing to tell you something \u2013 and I can tell you this with impunity: even if<br \/>\nyou don&#8217;t want that to happen, it will happen all the same! <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>People come for blessings in the morning,<br \/>\nyou know, or else during the night I go on inspection, everywhere I move<br \/>\naround, going to everyone. In both cases, even in the morning when they come to<br \/>\nreceive a flower, I have only to look at them. There is something around their<br \/>\nheads, and at times it is as clear as though they said, \u201cThis indeed is<br \/>\nsomething I shall never tell.\u201d They tell <i>me<\/i><br \/>\nthis, \u201cNever will I tell you this and this and that\u201d; you understand, they tell<br \/>\nme this by telling me that they will not say it. By telling me, \u201cI shall not<br \/>\ntell you this\u201d, they tell me. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Mother, when we have done something and want to hide it from you, when<br \/>\nwe come to you, you look as if you knew nothing. Why? (Laughter) <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>(<i>Laughingly<\/i>)<br \/>\nI look as if&#8230; I listen, yes? I listen as though I knew nothing, don&#8217;t I? It<br \/>\nis good like that, and sometimes I exclaim \u201cAh!\u201d and \u201cOh!\u201d as though I did not<br \/>\nknow, don&#8217;t I?<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 164<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Well, my child, all that is for another<br \/>\nreason. I have explained that already several times. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>When I see people and am busy with them, I<br \/>\nwant to \u2013 I don&#8217;t say it is always possible, but still \u2013 I want to see in them<br \/>\ntheir psychic being, their ideal, what they want to do, what they want to be,<br \/>\nin order to keep it, pull it to the surface; all my work consists of this: what<br \/>\nI see I pull out always. And so, when I am doing that, apart from those cases<br \/>\nin which I am aware that people are a little conscious of themselves, I am not<br \/>\nalways sure of the degree of their outer consciousness; and when I ask<br \/>\nquestions it is to know the difference between what they are conscious of and what<br \/>\nI see; and this I am doing all the time. It looks as though I did not know,<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t it? I ask a question to find out: \u201cWhat do you feel? What do you think?<br \/>\nWhat have you experienced? What&#8230;\u201d You know, it is to have a clear picture of<br \/>\nthe degree of your consciousness. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There is a tremendous difference between<br \/>\nwhat you know about yourself and what I know about you. What I know about you<br \/>\nis obviously what you ought to be. So, outwardly one sees clearly what people are<br \/>\nlike, but that is just an outer phenomenon, you know. Between the two there is<br \/>\nthe vital and mental domain which is the most important from the human point of<br \/>\nview, and it is there that in everyone the consciousness of what he ought to be<br \/>\nshould be reflected, so that he may realise it. But there is a vast distance<br \/>\nbetween what each one knows about himself, what is actively conscious in him<br \/>\nand what he is in the truth of his being. It is more difficult for me; this<br \/>\nintermediate domain is a very cloudy one, for me it is a domain of falsehood,<br \/>\nwhat I call falsehood. There are two words in English, \u201cfalsehood\u201d and \u201clie\u201d;<br \/>\nwell, it is the see of falsehood. It is not a lie in the see that one tells a<br \/>\nlie, but it is a domain of what is not true, what is not at all the experience<br \/>\nof the truth of a being, and yet it is of this that he is almost solely<br \/>\nconscious. Only a very few have the inner perception of what they want to be,<br \/>\nwhat they want to do, of what the truth of their being is. There are not<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 165<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>many such. Or else it comes and then gets<br \/>\nveiled; suddenly one has a flash and then it gets clouded over. And so the<br \/>\nquestions I put are always in order to know the state of this surface<br \/>\nconsciousness, which for me is something quite unreal, something that is not<br \/>\ntrue. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There is such a contradiction between the<br \/>\nbrutal fact of your daily way of life and the picture I have before myself of<br \/>\nwhat each one of you ought to be, a picture I keep there with all the power of<br \/>\nmy consciousness so that you may realise it \u2013 and that is yourself, that, yes,<br \/>\nis yourself! It is not this ignorant being, stupid and insincere \u2013 sometimes<br \/>\ndishonest \u2013 who is the&#8230; whom you call yourself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Listen, I am not quite young according to<br \/>\nordinary human notions. I am fairly old. From my earliest childhood I have not<br \/>\nstopped observing things. When I was very young I was chided for never<br \/>\nspeaking. It was because I spent my time observing. I passed my time observing,<br \/>\nI registered everything, I learnt all I could, I did not stop learning. Well, I<br \/>\ncan still feel surprised. Suddenly I find myself looking at such twisted,<br \/>\ninsincere and obscure movements that I tell myself, \u201cIt is not possible. Can<br \/>\nsuch a thing exist?\u201d Indeed, things which still come to me, day after day, \u201cIt<br \/>\nis not possible! In the world things happen in this way?\u201d And yet I have seen a<br \/>\ngreat number of people, I began being interested in people when very young, I<br \/>\nhave seen many countries, done what I recommend to others; in every country I<br \/>\nlived the life of that country in order to understand it well, and there is<br \/>\nnothing which interested me in my outer being as much as learning. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Well, now I still feel that I know<br \/>\nnothing. There may occur in this world and in the human consciousness things<br \/>\nwhich are beyond me! I don&#8217;t understand how it can be possible. For me, when<br \/>\nsomeone is so twisted up, to the point of being unrecognisable, I get the<br \/>\nfeeling \u2013 I always get the feeling that this consciousness of truth which is<br \/>\ntrying to manifest is seized and completely deformed. And how one can come to<br \/>\nsuch a pass,<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 166<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>that \u2013 that I have not yet understood \u2013<br \/>\nhow one can come to this point. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Here we are! This is not to discourage<br \/>\nyou; it is only to tell you why I sometimes ask questions. Even to a little<br \/>\nbaby I may ask questions. I always feel that one can learn something, always.<br \/>\nThere is something else still. There are all the things I see and I have told<br \/>\nyou, haven&#8217;t I, that at night I go for inspection while others sleep. It is<br \/>\nvery convenient for me, because in sleep one is just what one is. Well, I go<br \/>\naround, I inspect and I see all kinds of things! You can&#8217;t imagine what! But<br \/>\neach time that it is possible for me I ask questions, many questions, in order<br \/>\nto check what I have seen. I have done this work for years and years and years;<br \/>\nI began working at night in this way, consciously, in 1904 perhaps, that is,<br \/>\nfifty years ago, and I have not stopped. Well, even now, in order to be sure of<br \/>\nwhat I see, I always ask practical questions, so as to verify, and never do I<br \/>\nknow it the (<i>tape-recorder starts making<br \/>\na loud noise which draws Mother&#8217;s attention; she asks, \u201cFinished? It does not<br \/>\nwant to go on!\u201d, then continues<\/i>), never do I have that kind of assurance<br \/>\npeople usually have of believing that they know, that they can&#8217;t be mistaken,<br \/>\nand that the thing is understood. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>The world is in perpetual transformations.<br \/>\nEven were I to live a thousand years and more upon earth, I should continue to<br \/>\nlearn without stopping, and I am sure I would always learn something new,<br \/>\nbecause what was true yesterday is no longer so today, and what is true today<br \/>\nwill no longer be so tomorrow; the world is perpetually changing, therefore,<br \/>\none can learn perpetually. And after all, I don&#8217;t know if that is not the very<br \/>\nreason for the world, an objectification of oneself in order to know oneself in<br \/>\nall detail; there are many details, it can last a very long time, and they are<br \/>\nunexpected ones! <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>There, then. Is the tape finished? For we<br \/>\ncan also stop now, it is late. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Good night.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 167<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"WW-PlainText\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>9 June 1954 &nbsp; This talk is based upon Sri Aurobindo&#8217;s Elements of Yoga, Chapter 11, \u201cTransformations\u201d. &nbsp; \u201cQ: When a sadhak gets dreams signifying&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[125],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4453","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-06-questions-and-answers-volume-06","wpcat-125-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4453","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4453"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4453\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4453"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4453"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4453"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}