{"id":4484,"date":"2013-07-13T01:56:20","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4484"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:56:20","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:20","slug":"18-8-july-1953-vol-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/05-questions-and-answers-volume-05\/18-8-july-1953-vol-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","title":{"rendered":"-18_8 July 1953.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"Section1\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><b><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><b><font size=\"3\">8 July 1953 <\/font><\/b> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">\u201cThe mind is an instrument of action and<br \/>\nformation and not an instrument of knowledge; at each moment it is creating<br \/>\nforms. Thoughts are forms and have an individual life, independent of their<br \/>\nauthor: sent out from him into the world, they move in it towards the<br \/>\nrealisation of their own purpose of existence. When you think of anyone, your<br \/>\nthought takes a form and goes out to find him; and, if your thinking is<br \/>\nassociated with some will that is behind it, the thought-form that has gone out<br \/>\nfrom you makes an attempt to realise itself.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"2\">Questions and Answers 1929 (19 May)<br \/>\n<\/font> <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;Do prayers and aspirations also take a<br \/>\nform like thoughts? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Yes. At<br \/>\ntimes they take even the form of the person who has the aspiration or makes the<br \/>\nprayer \u2013 often. That depends. Aspirations sometimes take the form of that to<br \/>\nwhich one aspires, but most often, and specially prayers, clearly take the form<br \/>\nof the one who prays. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">What is the difference between prayer and<br \/>\naspiration? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I have<br \/>\nwritten this somewhere. There are several kinds of prayers. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nis the purely mechanical, material prayer, with words which have been learnt<br \/>\nand are mechanically repeated. That does not signify anything much. And that<br \/>\nhas usually only one single result, that of quietening the person who prays,<br \/>\nfor if a prayer is repeated several times, the words end up by making you calm.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 141<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nis a prayer which is a spontaneous formula for expressing something precise<br \/>\nwhich one wants to ask for: one prays for this thing or that, one prays for one<br \/>\nthing or another; one can pray for somebody, for a circumstance, for oneself. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nis a point where aspiration and prayer meet, for there are prayers which are<br \/>\nthe spontaneous formulation of a lived experience: these spring up all ready<br \/>\nfrom within the being, like something that\u2019s the expression of a profound<br \/>\nexperience, and which offers thanksgiving for that experience or asks its<br \/>\ncontinuation or asks for its explanation also; and that indeed is quite close<br \/>\nto aspiration. But aspiration is not necessarily formulated in words; or if it<br \/>\nis formulated in words, it is almost a movement of invocation. You aspire for a<br \/>\ncertain state; for instance, you have found something in yourself that is not<br \/>\nin keeping with your ideal, a movement of darkness and ignorance, perhaps even<br \/>\nof ill-will, something that\u2019s not in harmony with what you want to realise;<br \/>\nthen that is not going to be formulated in words; that will be like a springing<br \/>\nflame and like an offering made of a living experience, asking to grow larger,<br \/>\nbe magnified and ever more and more clear and precise. All that may be put into<br \/>\nwords later, if one tries to remember and note down one\u2019s experience. But<br \/>\naspiration always springs up like a flame that rises high and carries in itself<br \/>\nthe thing one desires to be or what one desires to do or desires to have. I use<br \/>\nthe word \u201cdesire\u201d, but truly it is here that the word \u201caspire\u201d should be used,<br \/>\nfor that does not have either the quality or the form of a desire. <\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It<br \/>\nis truly like a great purifying flame of will, and it carries in its core the<br \/>\nthing that asks to be realised. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">For<br \/>\ninstance, if you have done something you regret having done, if that has<br \/>\nunhappy consequences which disturb things, and several people are implicated,<br \/>\nyou do not know the reactions of the others, but you yourself wish that what<br \/>\nhas been done may take a turn for the best, and that if there is a mistake, it<br \/>\nmay be understood, and that no matter what the mistake, this may be for you an<br \/>\nopportunity for a greater progress, a<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 142<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">greater<br \/>\ndiscipline, a new ascent towards the Divine, a door open on a future that you<br \/>\nwant to be more clear and true and intense; so all this is gathered here<br \/>\n(pointing to the heart) like a force, and then it surges up and rises in a<br \/>\ngreat movement of ascent, and at times without the shadow of a formulation,<br \/>\nwithout words, without expression, but like a springing flame. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">That<br \/>\nindeed is true aspiration. That may happen a hundred, a thousand times daily if<br \/>\none is in that state in which one constantly wants to progress and be more true<br \/>\nand more fully in harmony with what the Divine Will wants of us. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Prayer<br \/>\nis a much more external thing, generally about a precise fact, and always<br \/>\nformulated for it is the formula that makes the prayer. One may have an<br \/>\naspiration and transcribe it as a prayer, but aspiration goes beyond prayer in<br \/>\nevery way. It is much closer and much more as it were self-forgetful, living<br \/>\nonly in the thing one wants to be or do, and the offering of all that one wants<br \/>\nto do to the Divine. You may pray in order to ask for something, you may also<br \/>\npray to thank the Divine for what He has given you, and that prayer is much<br \/>\ngreater: it may be called an act of thanksgiving. You may pray in gratitude for<br \/>\nthe aspect of kindness the Divine has shown to you, for what He has done for<br \/>\nyou, for what you see in Him, and the praise you want to offer Him. And all<br \/>\nthis may take the form of a prayer. It is decidedly the highest prayer, for it<br \/>\nis not exclusively preoccupied with oneself, it is not an egoistic prayer. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Certainly,<br \/>\none may have an aspiration in all the domains, but the very centre of aspiration<br \/>\nis in the psychic being, whilst one may pray in all the domains, and the prayer<br \/>\nbelongs to the domain in which one prays. One may make purely material,<br \/>\nphysical prayers, vital prayers, mental prayers, psychic prayers, spiritual<br \/>\nprayers, and each one has its special character, its special value. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nis a kind of prayer at once spontaneous and unselfish which is like a great<br \/>\ncall, usually not for one\u2019s own self personally, but like something that may be<br \/>\ncalled an intercession with<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 143<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">the Divine.<br \/>\nIt is extremely powerful. I have had countless instances of things which have<br \/>\nbeen realised almost instantaneously due to prayers of this kind. It implies a<br \/>\ngreat faith, a great ardour, a great sincerity, and a great simplicity of heart<br \/>\nalso, something that does not calculate, does not plan, does not bargain, does<br \/>\nnot give with the idea of receiving in exchange. For, the majority of men give<br \/>\nwith one hand and hold out the other to get something in exchange; the largest<br \/>\nnumber of prayers are of that sort. But there are others of the kind I have<br \/>\ndescribed, acts of thanksgiving, a kind of canticle, and these are very good. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nyou are. I don\u2019t know if I have made myself clear, but this is how it is. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">To<br \/>\nbe clearer, we may say that prayer is always formulated in words; but the words<br \/>\nmay have different values according to the state in which they are formulated.<br \/>\nPrayer is a formulated thing and one may aspire. But it is difficult to pray<br \/>\nwithout praying to someone. For instance, those who have a conception of the<br \/>\nuniverse from which they have more or less driven out the idea of the Divine<br \/>\n(there are many people of this kind; this idea troubles them &#8211; the idea that<br \/>\nthere is someone who knows all, can do everything and who is so formidably<br \/>\ngreater than they that there can be no comparison; that\u2019s a bit troublesome for<br \/>\ntheir amour-propre; so they try to make a world without the Divine), these<br \/>\npeople evidently cannot pray, for to whom would they pray? Unless they pray to<br \/>\nthemselves, which is not the custom! But one can aspire for something without<br \/>\nhaving any faith in the Divine. There are people who do not believe in the<br \/>\nexistence of a God, but who believe in progress. They have the idea that the<br \/>\nworld is in constant progress and that this progress will go on indefinitely<br \/>\nwithout stopping, towards an ever greater good. Well, these people can have a<br \/>\nvery great aspiration for progress, and they don\u2019t even need any idea of a<br \/>\ndivine existence for that. Aspiration necessarily implies a faith but not<br \/>\nnecessarily faith in a divine being; whilst prayer cannot exist if it is not<br \/>\naddressed to a divine being. And pray to what? One<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 144<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">does not<br \/>\npray to something that has no personality! One prays to someone who can hear<br \/>\nus. If there is nobody to hear us, how could one pray? Hence, if one prays,<br \/>\nthis means that, even when one doesn\u2019t acknowledge it, one has faith in<br \/>\nsomebody infinitely higher than us, infinitely more powerful, who can change<br \/>\nour destiny and change us also, if one prays so as to be heard. That is the<br \/>\nessential difference. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">So<br \/>\nthe more intellectual people admit aspiration and say that prayer is something<br \/>\ninferior. The mystics tell you that aspiration is all very well but if you want<br \/>\nto be really heard and want the Divine to listen to you, you must pray, and<br \/>\npray with the simplicity of a child, a perfect candour, that is, a perfect<br \/>\ntrust: \u201cI need this or that (whether it be a moral need or a physical or<br \/>\nmaterial need), well, I ask You for it, give it to me.\u201d Or else: \u201cYou have<br \/>\ngiven me what I asked of You, You have made me realise concretely those<br \/>\nexperiences which were unknown to me and are now marvels I can attain at will;<br \/>\nyes, I am infinitely grateful to You and I offer a prayer of thanksgiving to<br \/>\nsing Your praise and thank You for Your intervention.\u201d It is like that. To<br \/>\naspire it is not necessary to direct the aspiration to someone, towards<br \/>\nsomeone. One has an aspiration for a certain state of being, for knowledge, for<br \/>\na realisation, a state of consciousness; one aspires for something, but it is<br \/>\nnot necessarily a prayer; prayer is something additional. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Prayer<br \/>\nis a personal thing, addressed to a personal being, that is, to something &#8211; a<br \/>\nforce or a being \u2013 who can hear you and answer you. Otherwise you can\u2019t ask for<br \/>\nanything. Do you understand? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">When somebody has an ill-will against a<br \/>\nperson, how does this will act upon that person? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It is the<br \/>\nsame thing. Through a formation, a mental formation. When somebody is very<br \/>\nill-willed and wants to harm you, his will is expressed more or less; at times<br \/>\nhe does not dare to<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 145<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">acknowledge<br \/>\nthis to himself for he would feel ashamed, but that may come spontaneously. Or<br \/>\nelse, it may be as with malicious people, something shut up very deep in the<br \/>\nconsciousness, all the time there, like that, stirring up their spite; and then<br \/>\nthere are violent people who wish that a calamity may befall those who have<br \/>\ncaused them some so-called harm or have displeased them for some reason or<br \/>\nother Anyway, that is it, it belongs to the field of formation; and it is so<br \/>\nstrong that if you just pass by someone who has a manifest ill-will, you may<br \/>\nsuddenly feel very uneasy. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Now,<br \/>\nif you have a little knowledge and consciousness, you can become aware of the<br \/>\nreason, and then, when one realises the reason, there is only one thing to do,<br \/>\njust this (<i>gesture<\/i>), as one brushes<br \/>\noff a fly. Flies are very troublesome and come back again and again; and evil<br \/>\nformations take care! have the same habit as flies. You brush flies away, they<br \/>\nreturn, you brush them away again, again they return. They think it is a game.<br \/>\nHave you never noticed, flies take this as a game? truly, even as they are sent<br \/>\naway, they return. Only, if at a particular moment you become angry, you get<br \/>\ninto a temper and do this (gesture), even if you do not touch it, the fly will<br \/>\nnot come back. It feels it. Try, you will see. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But<br \/>\na bad thought is a bad deed. There are people who do not know it, but truly a<br \/>\nbad thought is a bad deed and if one thinks and wishes harm to someone, well,<br \/>\none is responsible for the misfortunes that come upon him just as much as<br \/>\nthough one had acted. But the unfortunate thing is that this is not recognised<br \/>\nand that never does one intervene in the bad thoughts of people There are even<br \/>\npeople who take great pleasure in inciting the bad thoughts of others. I have<br \/>\nknown such people (unfortunately far too many), when they have something<br \/>\nunpleasant to say to somebody, they never miss the opportunity of telling him:<br \/>\n\u201cYou know, somebody said that about you\u201d, and also: \u201cYou know, that other<br \/>\nperson said this about you.\u201d And thus they create as much harm as they think<br \/>\nof. And this they<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 146<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">do at times<br \/>\nsimply through stupidity, most often through vanity, in order to show off that<br \/>\nthey know something. But at bottom, in the consciousness, there is what is<br \/>\ncalled mischief-making \u2013 something that enjoys creating disorder,<br \/>\nmisunderstandings, disputes among people, unpleasant situations, and feels at<br \/>\nease amidst these. There are many people with a very sharp tongue. It is called<br \/>\nin French \u201cune langue de vipere\u201d, a viperish tongue. This is their great<br \/>\namusement. And they do much, much, much harm. But even without speaking, if one<br \/>\nhas a strong thought and thinks ill of people, one does a bad deed. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Why is there ill-will? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">My child,<br \/>\nit is as though you asked me why there is inconscience, ignorance, darkness in<br \/>\nthe nature! It is the why of the world you are asking me! Why is the world like<br \/>\nthis and not otherwise?.. There are people who have written volumes on the<br \/>\nsubject. And each one explains it in his own way and that changes nothing, in<br \/>\nfact. You may ask me: Why is there ill-will? Why is there ignorance? Why is<br \/>\nthere stupidity? Why is there wickedness? Why is there all the evil? Why is the<br \/>\nworld not a very charming place?.. All the philosophers explain it to you, each<br \/>\nin his own way. The materialists explain it in their way, the scientists<br \/>\nexplain it in their way, but nobody in all that can find the means of getting<br \/>\nout of it! and after all, the one thing that\u2019s truly important is&#8230; it would<br \/>\nbe precisely (you ask me: Why is there ill-will?) to find the way so that there<br \/>\nmay no longer be any ill-will. That would be worth the trouble. If you tell me:<br \/>\nWhy is there suffering, why is there misery?.. What can that do to you, this why,<br \/>\nunless it be a means of finding a remedy? But I don\u2019t believe it would, for (we<br \/>\nhave said that here) if you seek for the why, you will find within yourself<br \/>\nsimply all sorts of explanations which will be more or less useless and will<br \/>\nlead you nowhere. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">The<br \/>\nfact is that it is so, isn\u2019t it? and the second fact is that<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 147<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">one doesn\u2019t<br \/>\nwant it thus, and the third is to find the means that it may no longer exist.<br \/>\nThat is our problem. The world is not as we think it ought to be. There are<br \/>\nlots of things in the world which we do not approve of. Well, there are people<br \/>\nwho like what they call \u201cknowledge\u201d very much and begin to inquire why it is<br \/>\nlike that. In a way this is very well, but as I said, it would be much more<br \/>\nimportant to find out what to do so that it may be otherwise. This is exactly<br \/>\nthe problem the Buddha put to himself. He sat under a tree, it is said, until<br \/>\nhe found the solution. But his solution is not very good, for when you tell me:<br \/>\n\u201cThe world is bad\u201d, well, his solution is: \u201cDo away with the world.\u201d<span>\u00a0 <\/span>\u2013 \u201cFor whose benefit?\u201d as Sri Aurobindo has<br \/>\nwritten somewhere. Then the world will no longer be bad, for it will not exist!<br \/>\nBut what is the use of its no longer being bad, since it will not exist? It is<br \/>\nvery simple logic. It is like those who want the whole world to return to its<br \/>\nOrigin; and so Sri Aurobindo answers: \u201cYou will be the all-powerful master of<br \/>\nsomething that no longer exists, an emperor without an empire or a king without<br \/>\na kingdom\u201d, that\u2019s all It is one solution. But there are other better ones. I<br \/>\nbelieve we have found better ones. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Some<br \/>\nsay that ill-will comes from ignorance (that was exactly what the Buddha<br \/>\nclaimed) and that if ignorance disappeared there would no longer be any<br \/>\nill-will. There are others who say that ill-will comes from division,<br \/>\nseparation, that if the universe were not cut off from its Origin there would<br \/>\nbe no ill-will. Others still say that it is ill-will which is the cause of<br \/>\neverything, of separation and ignorance; and so there arises the problem: Whence<br \/>\ndoes it come, this ill-will? If it were at the origin of everything, it was<br \/>\nthen in the origin of everything. And there we are altogether at a loss, my<br \/>\nchildren! We could speculate upon this for years, we shall never get out of it.<br \/>\nAnd so those who push it so far finish by telling you: Ill-will doesn\u2019t exist,<br \/>\nit is an illusion. And that\u2019s simply because they stop midway in their<br \/>\nreasoning, for if they went a little farther they might say: Perhaps it is a<br \/>\nhuman invention, this ill-will\u2026 That is possible!<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 148<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Animals don\u2019t have ill-will, do they? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I do not<br \/>\nthink so. I can\u2019t say for sure since I don\u2019t know all the animal species, but I<br \/>\nhave heard things which to us seem monstrosities, yet are not at all instances of<br \/>\nill-will. For example, take the world of insects; of all the animal species it<br \/>\nis this which most contains the sense of what we call wickedness and what may<br \/>\nbe called ill-will, but it could very well be that this is our consciousness<br \/>\napplied to their movements which sees a movement of wickedness &#8211; or ill-will<br \/>\nThere are insects whose larvae can live only on a living being. They can feed<br \/>\nonly on a living being; dead flesh does not nourish these. So the parent insect<br \/>\nthat is going to lay its eggs (which will change into larvae) begins by<br \/>\nstinging a nervous centre of another insect or small lower animal which it<br \/>\nparalyses, and after that gently lays its eggs inside in such a way that when<br \/>\nthe eggs are hatched the larvae feed on that paralysed but not dead animal. It<br \/>\nis Machiavellian, isn\u2019t it? Evidently it is not the result of reasoning, it is<br \/>\nan instinct. Can this be called ill-will? Is this ill-will?.. It is simply the<br \/>\ninstinct of procreation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Perhaps,<br \/>\nif we say that these insects are moved by the spirit of the species which in<br \/>\nitself is conscious and has a conscious will, we can then say that all these<br \/>\nimaginations (I give you this one instance, but there are any number of them as<br \/>\nterrible, as monstrous for our human consciousness), all these beings, fashioners,<br \/>\nwho have created these insects must be frightful beings (don\u2019t you think so?)<br \/>\nand have a perverse and diabolical imagination. It is quite possible, for<br \/>\nindeed it is said that the origin of the insect species is a vital origin, that<br \/>\nthe fashioners are those of a vital type, that is, beings who not only<br \/>\nsymbolise but represent and live upon the ill-will in the world. These are very<br \/>\nconscious of their ill-will, and it is deliberate. The ill-will of men is<br \/>\nusually only a kind of reflection \u2013 an imitation or a reflection \u2013 of the will<br \/>\nof the beings of the vital, a will clearly hostile to creation, a will to make<br \/>\nthings as painful, as ugly, as sorrowful, as monstrous as possible. It is said<br \/>\nthat<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 149<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">it is these<br \/>\nwho have created insects, and so the insect species would perhaps be.. But they<br \/>\ndo not wilfully represent evil, you understand, they are moved by an<br \/>\nunconscious instinct. They do not do evil intentionally. They do it because it<br \/>\nis in their nature. What I call ill-will is truly the will to do evil for the<br \/>\nsake of doing evil, destroying for the sake of destroying, harming for<br \/>\nharming\u2019s sake and taking pleasure in the fact of doing evil. That really is<br \/>\nill-will. Egoism, I do believe, begins with the birth of mind. I can\u2019t tell for<br \/>\ncertain, for always new things are being found. But what I have seen of the<br \/>\nanimal species, specially of the higher animals, may be the instinct of<br \/>\npreservation, may be violence, obscure and brutal reactions, but is that truly<br \/>\nwhat is called ill-will?.. It is possible. If someone were to tell me a story<br \/>\nhe has witnessed which proves the opposite, I am ready to admit it but for the<br \/>\ntime being \u2013 I haven\u2019t seen it. All that I know of animals is their instinct<br \/>\nwhich pushes them into action, but they don\u2019t have that perversity that\u2019s in<br \/>\nthe human mind. I believe it is with this kind of mental functioning and under<br \/>\nthe direct influence of the vital that man has become an ill-willed being. The<br \/>\nTitans are ill-willed beings but the Titans are beings of the vital world<br \/>\nmanifested in the forces of Nature: they want to do evil for the pleasure of<br \/>\ndoing it, to destroy for the pleasure of destroying. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">People<br \/>\nalways speak about the wickedness of cats, for instance, playing with the mouse<br \/>\nbefore eating it. That\u2019s an example given to children; but I have seen cats. I<br \/>\nknow what they do. It is not at all true. They don\u2019t do this at all through<br \/>\nmalice. Usually it happens like this: the mother-cat hunts for the little ones<br \/>\nand catches a mouse. If it were to give the mouse immediately to the kittens to<br \/>\neat, they wouldn\u2019t be able to eat it, for it is hard, tough, and they don\u2019t<br \/>\nhave the capacity to eat such hard, tough flesh. Besides, it is also bad when<br \/>\nit is like that. So they play with it (they seem to be playing with it), they<br \/>\ntoss it about, roll it, catch it, let it run, run after it, until it is very<br \/>\nnicely softened. And then, when it is well softened, ready for<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 150<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">eating, and<br \/>\nthe meat already worked upon, then they give it to the little ones who can now<br \/>\neat it. But certainly they don\u2019t go and play with the mouse for the pleasure of<br \/>\nplaying! They hunt first, you see, and then prepare the dinner. They have<br \/>\nneither furnace nor fire to cook and soften the thing. They must prepare it and<br \/>\nmake it ready for eating. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But<br \/>\nit is also said that the first expression of love in living beings is the<br \/>\ndesire to devour. One wants to absorb, desires to devour. There is one instance<br \/>\nwhich would seem to prove that this is not altogether false &#8211; that is when the<br \/>\ntiger catches its prey or the snake its victim, it happens that both the<br \/>\ntiger\u2019s and the snake\u2019s victims give themselves up in a kind of delight of<br \/>\nbeing eaten. An experience is narrated of a man who was in the bush with his<br \/>\nfriends and had lagged behind and was caught by a tiger, a man-eater. The<br \/>\nothers came back when they saw that he was missing. They saw the tracks. They<br \/>\nran after him, just in time to prevent the tiger\u2019s eating him. When he came to<br \/>\nhimself a little, they told him he must have had a frightful experience. He<br \/>\nsaid: \u201cNo, just imagine, I don\u2019t know what happened to me, as soon as that<br \/>\ntiger caught me and while it was dragging me along, I felt an intense love for<br \/>\nit and a great desire to be eaten by it!\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">This<br \/>\nis quite true, it is not an invention. It is a true story. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Well,<br \/>\nI have seen with my own eyes\u2026 I believe I have already narrated this to you \u2013<br \/>\nthe story of the little rabbit which had been put in a python\u2019s cage. It was in<br \/>\nthe cage in the <i>Jardin des Plantes<\/i> in<br \/>\nParis. It was the breakfast day. I happened to be there. The cage was opened,<br \/>\nthe little white rabbit put inside. It was a pretty little white rabbit and it<br \/>\nimmediately fled to the other end of the cage and trembled like anything. It<br \/>\nwas horrible to see this, for it knew very well what was happening, it had felt<br \/>\nthe snake, it knew very well. The serpent was simply coiled up on its mat. It<br \/>\nseemed to be asleep, and very quietly it stretched out its neck and head, and<br \/>\nthen began looking at the rabbit. It looked at it without stirring \u2013 just<br \/>\nlooked at it.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 151<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I saw the<br \/>\nrabbit which at first stopped trembling; it no longer was afraid. It was quite<br \/>\ndoubled up and it began to recover. And then I saw it lift its head, open its<br \/>\neyes wide, and look at the snake, and slowly, very slowly it went forward<br \/>\ntowards it till it was just at the right distance. Then the snake with a single<br \/>\nleap \u2013 without any disturbance, without even uncoiling itself, just remaining<br \/>\nwhere it was, you understand \u2013 hop! it took it. And then it began rolling it,<br \/>\npreparing it for its dinner. It was not in order to play with it. It prepared<br \/>\nthe thing. It crushed all its bones nicely, made them crack; then it smeared it<br \/>\nwith a kind of gluey substance to make it quite slippy. And when it was all<br \/>\nquite ready, it began swallowing it slowly, comfortably But it didn\u2019t have to<br \/>\ndisturb itself, it didn\u2019t have to make the least movement, except the last<br \/>\nswift one just to catch it when it was right in front. It was the other<br \/>\ncreature that had come to it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nyou are. Indeed there are many things in Nature. There is this, there is<br \/>\nperhaps ill-will also. But I am not quite sure that it is not one of those<br \/>\npresents that mental activity has given to man.. as soon as he was separated<br \/>\nfrom his instinct and wanted to act independently <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">What exactly is instinct? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It is the<br \/>\nconsciousness of Nature. Nature is conscious of its action, but this is not an<br \/>\nindividual consciousness. There is an instinct of the species. Some have said<br \/>\nthat there were even \u201cspirits of the species\u201d, conscious beings for each<br \/>\nspecies. Instinct depends on the way Nature works, and Nature is a conscious<br \/>\nforce which knows what it wants, does it in its own way, knowing where it is<br \/>\ngoing and its roads: it chooses them itself. For man this appears incoherent,<br \/>\nfor his own consciousness is too narrow (he can\u2019t see the whole well enough;<br \/>\nwhen one sees only the small details of things or little fragments, one can\u2019t<br \/>\nunderstand at all, but Nature has a plan, it has a conscious will, it is<br \/>\naltogether a conscious entity &#8211; it can\u2019t be called a being, for it is<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 152<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">not in the<br \/>\nsame proportion. When we speak of a being with our human consciousness, we<br \/>\nimmediately imagine a human being, perhaps a little larger or much larger, but still<br \/>\nfunctioning always in the same way. That is why I don\u2019t call it a being, but it<br \/>\nis a conscious entity, a conscious will doing things consciously, deliberately,<br \/>\nand having formidable forces at its disposal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It<br \/>\nis also said that the forces of Nature are blind and violent. But it is not at<br \/>\nall that! It is man in his relative proportion with Nature who judges like<br \/>\nthat. Wait a little, let us take this example. When there is an earthquake,<br \/>\nmany islands are engulfed and millions of people killed. People say: \u201cThis<br \/>\nNature is monstrous.\u201d From the human point of view this Nature is monstrous.<br \/>\nWhat has it done? It has wrought a cataclysm. But just think how in jumping or<br \/>\nrunning or doing something or other, you get a good knock and turn black and<br \/>\nblue. It is the same thing for our cells as an earthquake; you destroy a huge<br \/>\nnumber of cells! It is a question of proportion. For us, our little<br \/>\nconsciousness, ever so little, this appears something formidable but after all<br \/>\nit is quite simply a contusion somewhere upon earth (not even in the universe).<br \/>\nWe are speaking only of the earth. What is it? Nothing at all, just a tiny<br \/>\nlittle plaything in the universe. If we speak of this universe, then the<br \/>\ndisappearance of the worlds these \u2013 are just contusions. It is nothing. &nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">One<br \/>\nmust, if one can, widen one\u2019s consciousness. &nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I<br \/>\nknew somebody who wanted to widen his consciousness; he said he had found a<br \/>\nway, it was to lie flat on his back at night, out-of-doors, and look at the<br \/>\nstars and try to identify himself with them, and go away deep into an immense<br \/>\nworld, and so lose completely all sense of proportion, of the order of the<br \/>\nearth and all its little things, and become vast as the sky &#8211; you couldn\u2019t say<br \/>\nas vast as the universe, for we see only a tiny bit of it, but vast as the sky<br \/>\nwith all the stars. And so, you know, the little impurities fall off for the<br \/>\ntime being, and one understands things on a very vast scale. It is a good<br \/>\nexercise. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Both<br \/>\nare good exercises. Try to compare them, you\u2019ll see:&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 153<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">you are<br \/>\nwalking on a street, there is an army of ants going from one nest to another<br \/>\n(you do not look down, you are talking with someone); very negligently you put<br \/>\none foot and then the other, and you crush hundreds of ants without even being<br \/>\naware of it. If you were an ant, you would say: \u201cWhat a wicked and beastly<br \/>\nforce!\u201d You are just walking. You have not paid attention. But suppose there<br \/>\nare beings of this kind for whom we are just tiny little ants. They put one<br \/>\nfoot and then the other and millions of people are killed. They are not even<br \/>\naware of it! They have not done it on purpose. They were just walking along,<br \/>\nthat\u2019s all. The only difference you could make (and yet I am not quite sure),<br \/>\nthe only difference between the ant and man is that man is able to think of<br \/>\nwhat happens to him, and perhaps the ant is not conscious of it? I don\u2019t know<br \/>\nat all. I don\u2019t guarantee it. <i>Voila<\/i>.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 154<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;8 July 1953 &nbsp;&nbsp; \u201cThe mind is an instrument of action and formation and not an instrument of knowledge; at each moment it is creating&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[126],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4484","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","wpcat-126-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4484","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4484"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4484\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4484"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4484"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4484"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}