{"id":4492,"date":"2013-07-13T01:56:23","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4492"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:56:23","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:23","slug":"34-28-october-1953-vol-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/05-questions-and-answers-volume-05\/34-28-october-1953-vol-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","title":{"rendered":"-34_28 October 1953.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"Section1\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\">\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-weight:700'><font size=\"3\">28 October 1953 <\/font> <\/span>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">\u201cTrue art is a whole and an ensemble; it<br \/>\nis one and of one piece with life. You see something of this intimate wholeness<br \/>\nin ancient Greece and ancient Egypt; for there pictures and statues and all<br \/>\nobjects of art were made and arranged as part of the architectural plan of a<br \/>\nbuilding, each detail a portion of the whole. It is like that in Japan, or at<br \/>\nleast it was so till the other day before the invasion of a utilitarian and<br \/>\npractical modernism. A Japanese house is a wonderful artistic whole; always the<br \/>\nright thing is there in the right place, nothing wrongly set, nothing too much,<br \/>\nnothing too little. Everything is just as it needed to be, and the house itself<br \/>\nblends marvellously with the surrounding nature. In India, too, painting and<br \/>\nsculpture and architecture were one integral beauty, one single movement of<br \/>\nadoration of the Divine.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"2\">Questions and Answers 1929 (28 July)<br \/>\n<\/font> <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Mother, I did not understand what you have<br \/>\nsaid: \u201cTrue art is a whole and an ensemble; it is one and of one piece with<br \/>\nlife.\u201d <\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">What I have<br \/>\nsaid? Nothing else but that true art is the expression of beauty in the<br \/>\nmaterial world; and in a world entirely changed spiritually, that is to say,<br \/>\none expressing completely the divine reality, art must act as a revealer and<br \/>\nteacher of this divine beauty in life; that is to say, an artist should be<br \/>\ncapable of entering into communion with the Divine and of receiving inspiration<br \/>\nabout what form or forms ought to be used to express the divine beauty in<br \/>\nmatter. And thus, if it does that, art can be a means of realisation of beauty,<br \/>\nand at the same time a teacher of what beauty ought to be, that is, art should<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 332<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">be an<br \/>\nelement in the education of men\u2019s taste, of young and old, and it is the<br \/>\nteaching of true beauty, that is, the essential beauty which expresses the<br \/>\ndivine truth. This is the raison <i>d\u2019\u00eatre<\/i><br \/>\nof art. Now, between this and what is done there is a great difference, but<br \/>\nthis is the true raison <i>d\u2019\u00eatre <\/i>of<br \/>\nart. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Have<br \/>\nyou understood? A little! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Why are today\u2019s painters not so good as<br \/>\nthose of the days of Leonardo da Vinci? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Because human<br \/>\nevolution goes in spirals. I have explained this.<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Lucida Console\"'>\u00b9<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I said that art had become an altogether<br \/>\nmercenary affair, obscure and ignorant, from the beginning of the last century<br \/>\ntill its middle. It had become something very commercial and quite remote from<br \/>\nthe true sense of art. And so, naturally, the artistic spirit does not come! It<br \/>\nfollowed bad forms, yet it tried to manifest to counteract the degradation of<br \/>\ntaste which prevailed. But naturally, as with every movement of Nature in man,<br \/>\nsome having gone to one extreme, others went to the other extreme; and as these<br \/>\nmade a sort of servile copy of life &#8211; not even that, in those days it was<br \/>\ncalled \u201ca photographic view\u201d of things, but now one can no longer say that, for<br \/>\nphotography has progressed so much that it would be doing it an injustice to<br \/>\nsay this, wouldn\u2019t it? Photography has become artistic; so a picture cannot be<br \/>\ncriticised by calling it photographic; nor can one call it \u201crealistic\u201d any<br \/>\nlonger, for there is a realistic painting which is not at all like that \u2013 but<br \/>\nit was conventional, artificial and without any true life, so the reaction was<br \/>\nto the very opposite, and naturally to another absurdity: \u201cart\u201d was no longer<br \/>\nto express physical life but mental life or vital life. And so came all the<br \/>\nschools, like the Cubists and others, who created from their head. But in art<br \/>\nit is not the head that dominates, it is the feeling for beauty. And they<br \/>\nproduced absurd and ridiculous and frightful things. Now they have gone farther<br \/>\nstill, but that, that is due to<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Lucida Console\"'><font size=\"2\">\u00b9<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"2\"> See Questions and Answers 1929 (28 July).<br \/>\n<\/font><\/span><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 333<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">the wars \u2013<br \/>\nwith every war there descends upon earth a world in decomposition which<br \/>\nproduces a sort of chaos. And some, of course, find all this very beautiful and<br \/>\nadmire it very much.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I<br \/>\nunderstand what they want to do, I understand it very well, but I cannot say<br \/>\nthat I find they do it well. All I can say is that they are trying. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But<br \/>\nit is perhaps (with all its horror, from a certain point of view), it is<br \/>\nperhaps better than what was produced in that age of extreme and practical<br \/>\nphilistinism: the Victorian age or in France the Second Empire. So, one starts<br \/>\nfrom a point where there was a harmony and describes a curve, and with this<br \/>\ncurve one goes completely out of this harmony and may enter into a total<br \/>\ndarkness; and then one climbs up, and when one finds oneself in line with the<br \/>\nold realisation of art, one becomes aware of the truth there was in this<br \/>\nrealisation, but with the necessity of expressing something more complete and<br \/>\nmore conscious. But in describing the circle one forgets that art is the<br \/>\nexpression of forms and one tries to express ideas and feelings with a minimum<br \/>\nof forms. That gives what we have, what you may see (I believe we have<br \/>\nreproductions of the most modern painters in the University Library). But if<br \/>\none goes a little farther still, this idea and these feelings they wish to<br \/>\nexpress and express very clumsily &#8211; if one returns to the same point of the<br \/>\nspiral (only a little higher), one will discover that it is the embryo of a new<br \/>\nart which will be an art of beauty and will express not only material life but<br \/>\nwill also try to express its soul. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Anyway,<br \/>\nwe have not yet come to that, but let us hope we shall reach there soon. So<br \/>\nthat\u2019s all. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Why does evolution go in spirals instead<br \/>\nof being a constant progress? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It is a<br \/>\nconstant progress. But if you made it in a straight line, you would cover only<br \/>\na single \u2013 part the world is a globe, it is not a line.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 3 34<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">If it were a cylinder! <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Even for a<br \/>\ncylinder, if you drew only one line, one part of the cylinder would escape you<br \/>\naltogether. This movement in a spiral is precisely to try and make everything<br \/>\nenter this phenomenon of evolution &#8211; so that not only one thing may advance<br \/>\nwhilst the others remain behind. And so, according to the centre where the<br \/>\nprogress is concentrated, one seems to move away from one thing and enter into<br \/>\nanother. But in the long run, when one evolves consciously, one does not forget<br \/>\none thing in order to do another. What is bad at present is forgetfulness; it<br \/>\nis that when following a certain activity for a realisation, one forgets all<br \/>\nthe others or they go into the background, they have no longer any intensity.<br \/>\nBut this is a human shortcoming which can be corrected \u2013 it ought to be<br \/>\ncorrected. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Do all progress in a spiral, and all<br \/>\ntogether or separately? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I fear it<br \/>\nis not very harmonious, for the world seems to me rather chaotic! If indeed the<br \/>\nmarch were totally organised, it would be a harmonious development, and if one<br \/>\ncould see where one is going \u2013 having the line of what has been done, one could<br \/>\nprolong these lines and see what would come. But for the moment this is open<br \/>\nonly to an elite. And the mass follows the movement, and all the movements are<br \/>\nnot homogeneous and simultaneous \u2013 certain things are slower to put into line<br \/>\nand movement than others. So, even a little difference like this suffices for<br \/>\nit to create an immense difference in the movement. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nis even a considerable number of spirals intersecting and giving the impression<br \/>\nof contradiction. If one could follow in its totality the movement of universal<br \/>\nprogress, one would see that there is such a great number of spirals which<br \/>\nintersect, that finally one does not know at all whether one is advancing or<br \/>\ngoing back. For, at the same moment some things are going up <\/span><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 335<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">and others<br \/>\nfalling back into the darkness, and all these are not absolutely independent of<br \/>\none another. There is a kind of coordination, so that instead of imagining a spiral<br \/>\nlike that, we should have to think of spherical spirals. If this could be<br \/>\ndescribed, all these spirals taken together would form an immense globe. And it<br \/>\nis at the intersection of these spirals that there are moments of progress. But<br \/>\nbefore the progress is coherent, total, there must be an inner organisation of<br \/>\nlife, different from that of Nature, arranged in accordance with a plan. For<br \/>\nNature her plan is only made with an aspiration, a decision and a goal. And the<br \/>\nroad seems quite fantastic, following the impulses of every minute \u2013 trials,<br \/>\nset-backs, contradictions, progress and demolition of what has already been<br \/>\ndone; and it is such a chaos that one can understand nothing there. She has the<br \/>\nair of somebody doing things impulsively \u2013 giving out certain impulses and<br \/>\ndestroying them, beginning others again, and going on and on like that. She<br \/>\nmakes and unmakes, she remakes and again demolishes, she mixes, destroys,<br \/>\nconstructs and all this at the same time. It is incomprehensible. And yet, she<br \/>\nevidently has a plan, and herself goes towards a certain goal which is very<br \/>\nclear to her but quite veiled to human consciousness\u2026 It is very interesting.<br \/>\nIf one could construct something like that, it would give an idea: a globe made<br \/>\nof intersecting spirals of different colours, and each representing one aspect<br \/>\nof Nature\u2019s creation. And these aspects are made to complete one another \u2013 but<br \/>\nso far they are rather in competition than collaboration, and it seems she is<br \/>\nalways obliged to destroy something in order to make another, which makes for a<br \/>\nterrible wastage, and a still greater disorder. But if all this were seen in<br \/>\nits totality, it would be extremely interesting. For it is an extremely complex<br \/>\ncriss-crossing, in all possible directions, of a spiralling ascent. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Now,<br \/>\nfor your question, there could be another answer. What I have said just now is<br \/>\nalso exactly the same for art, it also follows an evolution and at a certain<br \/>\nmoment seems to drift away from its goal and at others it draws close to a<br \/>\ngreater height.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 336<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But there<br \/>\nis something else, that is a social point of view: there is a period, like the<br \/>\nAge of Louis XIV for example, in which what predominated was the sense of<br \/>\nartistic creation, and this sense seems to have given a certain perception of<br \/>\nbeauty at that moment; but afterwards social evolution brought in other needs<br \/>\nand other ideas, and now, for more than a century it is commercialism which is<br \/>\nuppermost in the world, and there is nothing more in contradiction with art<br \/>\nthan commerce. For it is precisely the vulgarisation of something which ought<br \/>\nto be exceptional. It is putting within everybody\u2019s range something which could<br \/>\nbe understood only by an elite. And as we are in an age of mechanisation and<br \/>\ncommercialism, it is a time altogether uncongenial for a blossoming of art. And<br \/>\nprobably this is why art, not finding the conditions necessary for its full<br \/>\nflowering, tries to seek another outlet and enters the mental and vital field<br \/>\nfor its expression. That is the reason. When the time comes to shake off, so to<br \/>\nsay, to reject this mercantilism and to wake up to a more beautiful reality,<br \/>\nthen art too will be reborn in a greater consciousness of harmony. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Is self-complacency an obstacle to art? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Yes, it is<br \/>\neven an obstacle to intelligence. Fatuity is one of the greatest of human<br \/>\nstupidities. There is a very great difference between having faith in what can<br \/>\nbe done, the will to realise it, the certitude of the possibilities open in<br \/>\ncreation (and also the certitude that these possibilities will be realised),<br \/>\nand self-complacency; these are two things which turn their backs completely on<br \/>\neach other. To be convinced that nothing is impossible if one puts in the time,<br \/>\nenergy, will, trust, sincerity and all else, is very essential, but to be<br \/>\nself-satisfied in any way whatever is always, without exception, a stupidity.<br \/>\nAnd this is one of the things that takes you farthest away from the divine<br \/>\nrealisation, for it makes you foolish. And it is at the same time one of the<br \/>\nthings most contrary to the goodwill of Nature, for Nature laughs at you&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 337<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><span>\u00a0<\/span>immediately. You become an object of ridicule<br \/>\nat once. For, in truth, there is no human being who is something by himself. He<br \/>\nis only a possibility created by the Divine and one which can be developed only<br \/>\nby the Divine, which exists only by the Divine, and which should live only for<br \/>\nthe Divine. And so, in this I do not see any place for self-complacency; for,<br \/>\nas we are nothing in ourselves but what the Divine makes of us, and as we can<br \/>\ndo nothing by ourselves except what the Divine wants to do through us, I don\u2019t<br \/>\nsee what satisfaction one can have in that. One can only have the feeling of<br \/>\none\u2019s perfect powerlessness. Only, what is very bad is to have this the wrong<br \/>\nside out &#8211; for there is always a wrong side and a right to every state of<br \/>\nconsciousness &#8211; and, fundamentally, it is the same vanity which makes you say:<br \/>\n\u201cI can do nothing, I am good for nothing, I am incapable of doing anything<br \/>\nwhatsoever\u201d; that, that is the wrong side of \u201cI can, I am great, I have all sorts<br \/>\nof powers in me.\u201d It is the same thing. One is the shadow and the other the<br \/>\nlight, but they are exactly alike: one is no better than the other. And if<br \/>\nreally one were aware of being nothing at all, one would not bother to know<br \/>\nwhat one is like. That would already be something. But truly, sincerely, I tell<br \/>\nyou, and I have a sufficiently long experience of life, I know nothing so<br \/>\ngrotesque as people who are satisfied with themselves. It is truly ridiculous.<br \/>\nThey make themselves utterly ridiculous. There are people like that; some of<br \/>\nthem came to see Sri Aurobindo telling him all that they were capable of, all<br \/>\nthat they had done and all they could do, all that they had realised &#8211; and so<br \/>\nSri Aurobindo looked at them very seriously and replied: \u201cOh! you are too<br \/>\nperfect to be here. It would be better for you to go away.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">\u201cMusic too is an essentially spiritual art<br \/>\nand has always been associated with religious feeling and an inner life. But,<br \/>\nhere too, we have turned it into something independent and self-sufficient, a<br \/>\nmushroom art, such as is operatic music. Most of the artistic productions <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 338<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">we come across are of this kind and at<br \/>\nbest interesting from the point of view of technique. I do not say that even operatic<br \/>\nmusic cannot be used as a medium of a higher art expression; for whatever the<br \/>\nform, it can be made to serve a deeper purpose. All depends on the thing<br \/>\nitself, on how it is used, on what is behind it. There is nothing that cannot<br \/>\nbe used for the Divine purpose &#8211; just as anything can pretend to be the Divine<br \/>\nand yet be of the mushroom species.\u201d<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"2\">Questions and Answers 1929 (28 July)<br \/>\n<\/font> <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What do you mean by \u201cmushroom species\u201d? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Don\u2019t you know<br \/>\nwhat a mushroom is? how mushrooms grow? Mushrooms spring up anywhere and seem<br \/>\nnot to belong to any cultivation. The idea is of a kind of spontaneous growth<br \/>\nwhich has no roots in the totality of creation. These are things which do not<br \/>\nbelong to a whole, which are as though extraneous. Instead of mushrooms I could<br \/>\nhave said parasites on trees. You know there are parasites on trees, like the<br \/>\nmistletoe on the oak; here too I have seen them on certain trees; I have seen<br \/>\nplants grow clinging to the tree, plants which lived on the life of the tree,<br \/>\nwhich did not have their own separate life, their own roots, which did not take<br \/>\ntheir food directly from the soil; they clung to another plant, as though they<br \/>\nmade use of others\u2019 work. The others work to obtain the food and these cling<br \/>\nupon them and live by it. Really, how parasites live on animals!<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I<br \/>\ndon\u2019t know, I thought I went into great detail. But I have said enough about it<br \/>\nfor those who know In the old days, I mean in the artistic ages, as for<br \/>\ninstance in Greece or even during the Italian renaissance (but much more in<br \/>\nGreece and Egypt), buildings were made for public utility. Mostly too, in<br \/>\nGreece and Egypt, a kind of sanctuary was built to house their gods. Well, what<br \/>\nthey tried to do was something total, beautiful in itself, complete. And in<br \/>\nthat they used architecture, that is to say,<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 339<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">the sense<br \/>\nof harmony of lines, and sculpture to add to architecture the detail of<br \/>\nexpression, and painting to complete this expression, but all this was held in a<br \/>\ncoordinated unity which was the created monument. The sculpture formed a part<br \/>\nof the building, the painting was a part of the building. These were not things<br \/>\napart, just put there one knew not why &#8211; they belonged to the general plan. And<br \/>\nso, when these people made a temple, for example, it was a whole wherein were<br \/>\nfound almost all the manifestations of art, united in a single will to express<br \/>\nthe beauty they wished to express, that is, a garment for the god they wished<br \/>\nto adore. All the beautiful periods of art were of this kind. But precisely,<br \/>\nthese days, though not quite recently &#8211; at the end of the last century, art<br \/>\nbecame commercial, mercenary, and pictures were made to be sold; they were<br \/>\npainted on canvas, a frame was put and then, without any definite reason, a<br \/>\npicture was put here or another there, or else some sculpture was made<br \/>\nrepresenting one thing or another, and it was put no matter where. It had<br \/>\nnothing to do with the house in which it was placed. It did not fit in. Things<br \/>\ncould be beautiful in themselves but they had no meaning. It was not a whole<br \/>\nhaving cohesion and attempting to express something: it was an exhibition of<br \/>\ntalent, cleverness, the ability to make a picture or a statue. So too the<br \/>\narchitecture of those days, it had no precise meaning. One did not build with<br \/>\nthe idea of expressing the force one wanted to incarnate in that building; the<br \/>\narchitecture was not the expression of an aspiration or of something that<br \/>\nuplifts your spirit or the expression of the magnificence of the godhead one<br \/>\nwanted to house. They were nothing else but mushrooms. They put up a house<br \/>\nhere, a house there, made this and that, pictures, statues, objects of all<br \/>\nkinds. So, on entering a house one saw, as I have just told you, a bit of<br \/>\nsculpture here, a bit of painting there, show-cases with a heap of bizarre<br \/>\nobjects having no connection with one another. And wherefore all this? To make<br \/>\na sort of exhibition, a show of art-objects which had nothing to do with art<br \/>\nand beauty! But that \u2013 one must understand the deep <\/span><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">\u00ea<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 340<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">meaning of<br \/>\nart to feel to what an extent this was shocking. Otherwise, when one is<br \/>\naccustomed to it, when one has lived in that period and that milieu, it seems<br \/>\nquite natural \u2013 but it is not natural. It is a commercial deformation. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nis only one justification, that is to make it a means of education. Then it<br \/>\nbecomes a museum. If you make a museum, it is a historical sampling of all that<br \/>\nhas been done. It serves to give you a historical knowledge of things. But a<br \/>\nmuseum is not something beautiful in itself, far from it! For an artist it is<br \/>\nsomething quite shocking. From the point of view of education it is very good,<br \/>\nfor specimens of all kinds of things have been collected there in a single<br \/>\nplace; and in this way you may learn, acquire erudition. But from the point of<br \/>\nview of beauty, it is frightful.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">And<br \/>\nso there was an attempt, later, to return (for instance, at the beginning of<br \/>\nthis century \u2013 I am speaking of the first years of this century) an attempt to<br \/>\ncreate what was called \u201cdecorative art\u201d, that is, to try to get back to a<br \/>\nvision of the ensemble and to make, when arranging a house, a coordinated whole<br \/>\nin which things were in a certain place because they were meant to be there,<br \/>\nand where every object had not only its raison <i>d\u2019etre<\/i> but its exact place and could not be displaced. An ensemble<br \/>\nwas created, a whole. So that was already a little better. They were trying. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Here<br \/>\n(in India), it is altogether different, for there is a tradition of art which<br \/>\nhas remained, the whole country is full of things which were made at a fine<br \/>\nmoment of the artistic history of the country. One lives in its midst. One has<br \/>\nhardly undergone the after-effects of what happened in the rest of the world,<br \/>\nabove all in Europe. Only those parts of India which are a little too<br \/>\nanglicised have lost the sense of beauty. There are certain schools in Bombay,<br \/>\nschools of artists, which are frightful. And then, there was that attempt of<br \/>\nthe Calcutta School to revive Indian art, but that was only on a very small<br \/>\nscale. From the point of view of art what you have most within your reach are<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 341<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">the old<br \/>\ncreations, the old temples, old pictures. All that was very good. And that had<br \/>\nbeen made to express a faith. And it was done precisely with a sense of the<br \/>\nwhole, not in disorder. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">You<br \/>\nhave followed very little of this movement of art I am speaking about, which is<br \/>\nrelated to European civilisation, it has not been felt much here \u2013 just a<br \/>\nlittle but not deeply. Here, the majority of creations (this is a very good<br \/>\nexample), the majority of works, I believe even almost all the beautiful works,<br \/>\nare not signed. All those paintings in the caves, those statues in the temples<br \/>\n&#8211; these are not signed. One does not know at all who created them. And all this<br \/>\nwas not done with the idea of making a name for oneself as at present. One<br \/>\nhappened to be a great sculptor, a great painter, a great architect, and then<br \/>\nthat was all, there was no question of putting one\u2019s name on everything and<br \/>\nproclaiming it aloud in the newspapers so that no one might forget it! In those<br \/>\ndays the artist did what he had to do without caring whether his name would go<br \/>\ndown to posterity or not. All was done in a movement of aspiration to express a<br \/>\nhigher beauty, and above all with the idea of giving an appropriate abode to<br \/>\nthe godhead who was evoked. In the cathedrals of the Middle Ages, it was the<br \/>\nsame thing, and I don\u2019t think that there too the names of the artists who made<br \/>\nthem have remained. If any are there, it is quite exceptional and it is only by<br \/>\nchance that the name has been preserved. Whilst today, there is not a tiny<br \/>\nlittle piece of canvas, painted or daubed, but on it is a signature to tell<br \/>\nyou: it is Mr. So-and-so who made this! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It is said that a synthesis of western and<br \/>\neastern art could be made? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Yes. One<br \/>\ncan make a synthesis of everything if one rises sufficiently high. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">What will come out of it?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 342<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-GB\">If it is necessary, it will be done. But<br \/>\nfundamentally, these are things in the making. For, the advantage of modern<br \/>\ntimes and specially of this hideous commercialism is that everything is now<br \/>\nmixed up; that things from the East go to the West, and things from the West to<br \/>\nthe East, and they influence each other. For the moment this creates a<br \/>\nconfusion, a sort of pot-pourri. But a new expression will come out of it \u2013 it<br \/>\nis not so far from its realisation. People cannot intermix, as men today are<br \/>\nintermixing, without its producing a reciprocal effect. For instance, with<br \/>\ntheir mania of conquest, the nations of the West which conquered all sorts of countries<br \/>\nin the world, have undergone a very strong influence of the conquered<br \/>\ncountries. In the old days, when Rome conquered Greece it came under the<br \/>\ninfluence of Greece much more than if it had not conquered it. And the<br \/>\nAmericans \u2013 all that they make now is full of Japanese things, and perhaps they<br \/>\nare not even aware of it. But since they occupied Japan, I see that the<br \/>\nmagazines received from America are full of Japanese things. And even in<br \/>\ncertain details of objects received from America, one now feels the influence<br \/>\nof Japan. That happens automatically. It is quite strange, there always comes<br \/>\nabout a sort of equilibrium, and he who made the material conquest is conquered<br \/>\nby the spirit of the vanquished. It is reciprocal. He made the material<br \/>\nconquest, he possesses materially, but it is the spirit of the conquered one<br \/>\nwho possesses the conqueror.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">So,<br \/>\nthrough mixing.. The ways of Nature are slow, obscure and complicated. She<br \/>\ntakes a very long time to do a thing which could probably be done much more<br \/>\nrapidly, easily and without wastage by means of the spirit. At present there is<br \/>\na terrible wastage in the world. But it is getting done. She has her own way of<br \/>\nmixing people. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Is it intentional? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Not the way<br \/>\nmen understand \u201cintentional\u201d. But it is certainly<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<font size=\"3\"><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\">Page \u2013 343<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">the<br \/>\nexpression of an intention and a goal towards which one is going. Only, all<br \/>\ndepends on the amount of consciousness. For a man this seems a confusion, for<br \/>\nhe can see only details, and it appears to be a terrible loss of time, because<br \/>\nfor him the idea of time is limited to the duration of his person. But Nature<br \/>\nhas eternity before her. And it is all the same to her to waste, for she is<br \/>\nlike someone who had a huge cauldron; she throws things in and makes a mixture,<br \/>\nand if that does not succeed she throws all this out, for she knows that by<br \/>\ntaking back the same things she will make another mixture. And that is how it<br \/>\nis. Nothing is lost, for it comes into use again all the time. Forms are broken<br \/>\nand the substance is taken back, and it goes on constantly like that. It is<br \/>\nmade, it is unmade, it is turned inside out \u2013 what harm can it do her to try a<br \/>\nhundred thousand times if it so pleases her! For there is nothing that is<br \/>\nwasted, except her work. But her work is her pleasure. Without work she would<br \/>\nnot exist. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It is a pleasure for her, not for people! <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">No,<br \/>\ncertainly, I quite agree. I find it a little too cruel an amusement. <i>Voila. <\/i><\/span><br \/>\n<i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 344<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>28 October 1953 &nbsp; \u201cTrue art is a whole and an ensemble; it is one and of one piece with life. 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