{"id":4496,"date":"2013-07-13T01:56:24","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4496"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:56:24","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:24","slug":"10-20-may-1953-vol-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/05-questions-and-answers-volume-05\/10-20-may-1953-vol-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","title":{"rendered":"-10_ 20 May 1953.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"Section1\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><b><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\"><b>20 May 1953<\/b> <\/font> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">You have said: \u201cAnd as for those who have<br \/>\nthe will of running away, even they, when they go over to the other side, may<br \/>\nfind that the flight was not of much use after all.\u201d <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"2\">Questions and Answers 1929 (28 April)<\/font><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">What do you call \u201cthe other side\u201d?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">We speak of<br \/>\nthe other side of the veil, the other side of existence. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It<br \/>\nis being no longer in the physical: being in the vital, for example, or in the<br \/>\nconscious part of the vital. One becomes conscious of two sides and so knows<br \/>\nwhat is happening. There are people who go out of their body methodically to<br \/>\nhave the experience of the separation between the two. But as for that, one<br \/>\nmust know how to do it, and one must not do it all alone. Someone should be<br \/>\nthere to look after and watch the body. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Are not offering and surrender to the<br \/>\nDivine the same thing? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">They are<br \/>\ntwo aspects of the same thing, but not altogether the same. One is more active<br \/>\nthan the other. They do not belong to quite the same plane of existence. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">For<br \/>\nexample, you have decided to offer your life to the Divine, you take that<br \/>\ndecision. But all of a sudden, something altogether unpleasant, unexpected<br \/>\nhappens to you and your first movement is to react and protest. Yet you have<br \/>\nmade the offering, you have said once for all: \u201cMy life belongs to the Divine\u201d,<br \/>\nand then suddenly an extremely unpleasant incident happens (that can happen)<br \/>\nand there is something in you that reacts, that does not want it. But here, if<br \/>\nyou want to be truly logical <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 53<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">with your<br \/>\noffering, you must bring forward this unpleasant incident, make an offering of<br \/>\nit to the Divine, telling him very sincerely: \u201cLet Your will be done; if You<br \/>\nhave decided it that way, it will be that way.\u201d And this must be a willing and<br \/>\nspontaneous adhesion. So it is very difficult. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Even<br \/>\nfor the smallest thing, something that is not in keeping with what you<br \/>\nexpected, what you have worked for, instead of an opposite reaction coming in \u2013<br \/>\nspontaneously, irresistibly, you draw back: \u201cNo, not that\u201d &#8211; if you have made a<br \/>\ncomplete surrender, a total surrender, well, it does not happen like that: you<br \/>\nare as quiet, as peaceful, as calm in one case as in the other. And perhaps you<br \/>\nhad the notion that it would be better if it happened in a certain way, but if<br \/>\nit happens differently, you find that this also is all right. You might have,<br \/>\nfor example, worked very hard to do a certain thing, so that something might<br \/>\nhappen, you might have given much time, much of your energy, much of your will,<br \/>\nand all that not for your own sake, but, say, for the divine work (that is the<br \/>\noffering); now suppose that after having taken all this trouble, done all this<br \/>\nwork, made all these efforts, it all goes just the other way round, it does not<br \/>\nsucceed. If you are truly surrendered, you say: \u201cIt is good, it is all good, it<br \/>\nis all right; I did what I could, as well as I could, now it is not my<br \/>\ndecision, it is the decision of the Divine, I accept entirely what He decides.\u201d<br \/>\nOn the other hand, if you do not have this deep and spontaneous surrender, you<br \/>\ntell yourself: \u201cHow is it? I took so much trouble to do a thing which is not<br \/>\nfor a selfish purpose, which is for the Divine Work, and this is the result, it<br \/>\nis not successful!\u201d Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, it is like that. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">True<br \/>\nsurrender is a very difficult thing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">For self-surrender, should one continue to<br \/>\ndo what one ought to do? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Continue to<br \/>\ndo what one ought to, what is clearly shown as the <\/span><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 54<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">thing that ought<br \/>\nto be done, what is to be done &#8211; whether one succeeds or does not succeed,<br \/>\nwhether the result is what one thinks or expects or isn\u2019t &#8211; that has no<br \/>\nimportance; one continues. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But when one tries, if one makes a mistake<br \/>\nunconsciously, how can one know? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">If you are<br \/>\nquite sincere, you know. Not to know one\u2019s fault is always the sign of an<br \/>\ninsincerity somewhere. And generally, it is hidden in the vital. When the vital<br \/>\nconsents to collaborate (which is already a big step), when it decides that it<br \/>\ntoo is going to work, to devote all its effort and all its energy to accomplish<br \/>\nthe work, even then there is underneath, well hidden somewhere, a sort of \u2013 how<br \/>\nshall we call it? \u2013 an expectation that things will turn out well and the<br \/>\nresult will be favourable. And that veils the complete sincerity. For this<br \/>\nexpectation is an egoistic, personal thing, and this veils the full sincerity.<br \/>\nThen you do not know. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But<br \/>\nif one is altogether, absolutely sincere, as soon as what one is doing is not<br \/>\nexactly what should be done, one feels it very clearly \u2013 not violently but very<br \/>\nclearly, &#8211; very precisely: \u201cNo, not this.\u201d And then if one has no attachment,<br \/>\nimmediately it stops, instantaneously it stops.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Only<br \/>\none has attachment, even for a disinterested work. That\u2019s what you must understand.<br \/>\nYou have given your life for a cause that is not egoistic, but the ego is there<br \/>\nall the same. And you have a way of doing the thing which is special, personal<br \/>\nto you; and you have within you a hope (not to speak of a desire) that the<br \/>\nresult will be like this, that you will get this and it will be done. Even a<br \/>\nwork that is not done for yourself but which you have undertaken, you expect<br \/>\nthat it will succeed, that you will have success \u2013 not personally \u2013 for the<br \/>\nthing you have undertaken, the work that you are doing. Well, that brings in<br \/>\njust a little bit of something like that, down below, quite hidden, quite<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 55<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">a tiny<br \/>\nthing which is a little.. not very straight, a little bent, twisted. And then<br \/>\nyou do not know. But if that were not there, as soon as you failed to do<br \/>\nexactly what should be done, you would know. You would know it absolutely<br \/>\nprecisely. It is as delicate a movement as the thousandth part of a millimetre<br \/>\nwould be. Yes, it is there, and that is sufficient, you know: \u201cI was mistaken.\u201d<br \/>\nBut you must have that absolute sincerity which precisely does not want at any<br \/>\ncost to blunder, which will do anything, give up everything, everything, rather<br \/>\nthan live in any kind of illusion. But it is very difficult; it takes time and<br \/>\nmuch labour. When you are doing a thing, always those two, the mind and the<br \/>\nvital are there, trying to draw some benefit or other out of what you are<br \/>\ndoing: the benefit of personal satisfaction, the benefit of happiness, the<br \/>\nbenefit of a good opinion that you have of yourself. It is difficult not to<br \/>\ndeceive oneself. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">What is the exact way of feeling that we<br \/>\nbelong to the Divine and that the Divine is acting in us?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">You must<br \/>\nnot feel with your head (because you may think so, but that\u2019s something vague);<br \/>\nyou must feel with your sense-feeling. Naturally one begins by wanting it with<br \/>\nthe mind, because that is the first thing that understands. And then one has an<br \/>\naspiration here (<i>pointing<\/i> <i>to<\/i> <i>the<\/i><br \/>\n<i>heart<\/i>), with a flame which pushes you<br \/>\nto realise it. But if you want it to be truly <i>the<\/i> thing, well, you must feel it. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">You<br \/>\nare doing something, suppose, for example, you are doing exercises,<br \/>\nweightlifting. Now suddenly without your knowing how it happened, suddenly you<br \/>\nhave the feeling that there is a force infinitely greater than you, greater,<br \/>\nmore powerful, a force that does the lifting for you. Your body becomes<br \/>\nsomething almost non-existent and there is this Something that lifts. And then<br \/>\nyou will see; when that happens to you, you will no longer ask how it should be<br \/>\ndone, you will know. That does happen<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 56<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It<br \/>\ndepends upon people, depends upon what dominates in their being. Those who<br \/>\nthink have suddenly the feeling that it is no longer they who think, that there<br \/>\nis something which knows much better, sees much more clearly, which is<br \/>\ninfinitely more luminous, more conscious in them, which organises the thoughts<br \/>\nand words; and then they write. But if the experience is complete, it is even<br \/>\nno longer they who write, it is that same Thing that takes hold of their hand<br \/>\nand makes it write. Well, one knows at that moment that the little physical<br \/>\nperson is just a tiny insignificant tool trying to remain as quiet as possible<br \/>\nin order not to disturb the experience. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Yes,<br \/>\nat no cost must the experience be disturbed. If suddenly you say: \u201cOh, look,<br \/>\nhow strange it is!\u201d&#8230; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">How can we reach that state? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Aspire for<br \/>\nit, want it. Try to be less and less selfish, but not in the sense of becoming<br \/>\nnice to other people or forgetting yourself, not that: have less and less the<br \/>\nfeeling that you are a person, a separate entity, something existing in itself,<br \/>\nisolated from the rest. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">And<br \/>\nthen, above all, above all, it is that inner flame, that aspiration, that need<br \/>\nfor the light. It is a kind of \u2013 how to put it? \u2013 luminous enthusiasm that<br \/>\nseizes you. It is an irresistible need to melt away, to give oneself, to exist<br \/>\nonly in the Divine. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">At<br \/>\nthat moment you have the experience of your aspiration. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But<br \/>\nthat moment should be absolutely sincere and as integral as possible; and all<br \/>\nthis must occur not only in the head, not only here, but must take place<br \/>\neverywhere, in all the cells of the body. The consciousness integrally must<br \/>\nhave this irresistible need&#8230; The thing lasts for some time, then diminishes,<br \/>\ngets extinguished. You cannot keep these things for very long. But then it so<br \/>\nhappens that a moment later or the next day or some time later, suddenly you<br \/>\nhave the opposite experience. Instead of feeling this ascent, and all that,<br \/>\nthis is no longer there and<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 57<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">you have<br \/>\nthe feeling of the Descent, the Answer. And nothing but the Answer exists.<br \/>\nNothing but the divine thought, the divine will, the divine energy, the divine<br \/>\naction exists any longer. And you too, you are no longer there. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">That<br \/>\nis to say, it is the answer to our aspiration. It may happen immediately<br \/>\nafterwards \u2013 that is very rare but may happen. If you have both simultaneously,<br \/>\nthen the state is perfect; usually they alternate; they alternate more and more<br \/>\nclosely until the moment there is a total fusion. Then there is no more<br \/>\ndistinction. I heard a Sufi mystic, who was besides a great musician, an<br \/>\nIndian, saying that for the Sufis there was a state higher than that of<br \/>\nadoration and surrender to the Divine, than that of devotion, that this was not<br \/>\nthe last stage; the last stage of the progress is when there is no longer any<br \/>\ndistinction; you have no longer this kind of adoration or surrender or<br \/>\nconsecration; it is a very simple state in which one makes no distinction<br \/>\nbetween the Divine and oneself. They know this. It is even written in their<br \/>\nbooks. It is a commonly known condition in which everything becomes quite<br \/>\nsimple. There is no longer any difference. There is no longer that kind of<br \/>\necstatic surrender to \u201cSomething\u201d which is beyond you in every way, which you<br \/>\ndo not understand, which is merely the result of your aspiration, your<br \/>\ndevotion. There is no difference any longer. When the union is perfect, there<br \/>\nis no longer any difference. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Is this the end of self-progress?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There is never<br \/>\nany end to progress &#8211; never any end, you can never put a full-stop there. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Can that happen before the transformation<br \/>\nof the body? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Before the<br \/>\ntransformation of the body?.. This is a phenomenon of consciousness. For instance,<br \/>\nthe physical consciousness may&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 58<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">have this<br \/>\nexperience even for years before the cells change. There is a great difference<br \/>\nbetween the physical consciousness (the 58body consciousness) and the material<br \/>\nbody. This takes a long time, because it is a thing that has never been done.<br \/>\nThat state, as I have already told you, is a commonly known state which has<br \/>\nbeen realised by some people, the most advanced, the highest among the mystics;<br \/>\nbut the transformation of the body has never been done by anyone. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">And<br \/>\nit takes a terribly long time. Sri Aurobindo said \u2013 one day I asked him: \u201cHow<br \/>\nlong will it take to transform the body?\u201d He did not hesitate, he said: \u201cOh!<br \/>\nsomething like three hundred years.\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Three hundred years from when? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Three hundred<br \/>\nyears from the time one has the consciousness I was just speaking about. (<i>Laughter<\/i>) <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">No,<br \/>\nthe conclusion, what you must succeed in doing, is to be able to prolong life<br \/>\nat will: not to leave the body until one wants to. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">So,<br \/>\nif one has resolved to transform the body, well, one must wait with all the<br \/>\nnecessary patience \u2013 three hundred years, five hundred years, a thousand years,<br \/>\nit does not matter \u2013 the time needed for the change. As for me, I see that<br \/>\nthree hundred years is a minimum. To tell you the truth, with the experience I<br \/>\nhave of things, I think it is truly a minimum. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Just<br \/>\nimagine. You have never thought about what it means, have you? How is your body<br \/>\nbuilt? In a purely animal way, with all the organs and all the functions. You<br \/>\nare absolutely dependent: if your heart stops for even the thousandth part of a<br \/>\nsecond, you are gone and that\u2019s the end. The whole thing works and works<br \/>\nautomatically without your conscious will (happily for you, for if you had to<br \/>\nsupervise the functioning, it would have gone the wrong way long ago). All that<br \/>\nis there. Everything is necessary, because it was organised in that manner. You<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 59<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">cannot do<br \/>\nwithout an organ, at least totally; there must be something in you representing<br \/>\nit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Transformation<br \/>\nimplies that all this purely material arrangement is replaced by an arrangement<br \/>\nof concentrations of force having certain types of different vibrations<br \/>\nsubstituting each organ by a centre of conscious energy moved by a conscious<br \/>\nwill and directed by a movement coming from above, from higher regions. No<br \/>\nstomach, no heart any longer, no circulation, no lungs, no.. All this<br \/>\ndisappears. But it is replaced by a whole set of vibrations representing what<br \/>\nthose organs are symbolically. For the organs are only the material symbols of<br \/>\ncentres of energy; they are not the essential reality; they simply give it a<br \/>\nform or a support in certain given circumstances. The transformed body will<br \/>\nthen function through its real centres of energy and not any longer through<br \/>\ntheir symbolic representatives such as were developed in the animal body.<br \/>\nTherefore, first of all you must know what your heart represents in the cosmic<br \/>\nenergy and what the circulation represents and what the stomach and the brain<br \/>\nrepresent. To begin with, you must first be conscious of all that. And then,<br \/>\nyou must have at your disposal the original vibrations of that which is<br \/>\nsymbolised by these organs. And you must slowly gather together all these<br \/>\nenergies in your body and change each organ into a centre of conscious energy which<br \/>\nwill replace the symbolic movement by the real one You believe it will take<br \/>\nonly three hundred years to do that? I believe it will take much more time to<br \/>\nhave a form with qualities which will not be exactly those we know, but will be<br \/>\nmuch superior; a form that one naturally dreams to see plastic: as the<br \/>\nexpression of your face changes with your feelings, so the body will change<br \/>\n(not the form but within the same form) in accordance with what you want to<br \/>\nexpress with your body. It can become very concentrated, very developed, very<br \/>\nluminous, very quiet, with a perfect plasticity, with a perfect elasticity and<br \/>\nthen a lightness at will&#8230; Have you never dreamt of giving a kick to the<br \/>\nground and then soaring into the air, flying away? You move about. You push&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 60<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">a little<br \/>\nwith your shoulder, you go this way; you push again, you go that way; and you<br \/>\ngo wherever you like, quite easily; and finally when you have finished you come<br \/>\nback, enter your body. Well, you must be able to do that with your body, and<br \/>\nalso certain things related to respiration \u2013 but there will no longer be lungs;<br \/>\nthere\u2019s a true movement behind a symbolic movement which gives you this<br \/>\ncapacity of lightness; you do not belong any longer to the system of<br \/>\ngravitation, you escape it.<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='font-family:\"Lucida Console\"'>\u00b9<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\nAnd so for each organ.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nis no end to imagination: to be luminous whenever one wants it, to be<br \/>\ntransparent whenever one wants it. Naturally there is no longer any need of any<br \/>\nbones also in the system; it is not a skeleton with skin and viscera, it is another<br \/>\nthing. It is concentrated energy obeying the will. This does not mean that<br \/>\nthere will no longer be any definite and recognisable forms; the form will be<br \/>\nbuilt by qualities rather than by solid particles. It will be, if one may say<br \/>\nso, a practical or pragmatic form; it will be supple, mobile, light at will, in<br \/>\ncontrast to the fixity of the gross material form. <span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">So,<br \/>\nto change this into what I have just described, I believe three hundred years<br \/>\nare truly very little. It seems many more than that are needed. Perhaps with a<br \/>\nvery, very, very concentrated work.. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Three hundred years with the same body? <\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Well, there<br \/>\nis change, it is no longer the same body.<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"2\">1 According to Sri Aurobindo, this true movement<br \/>\nbehind respiration is the same as the one governing electrical and magnetic<br \/>\nfields; it is what the ancient yogis used to call Vayu, the Life-Energy. The<br \/>\nbreathing exercises (<i>pr&#257;n&#257;yama<\/i>)<br \/>\nare simply one system (among others) for acquiring mastery over Vayu which<br \/>\neventually enables you to be free from gravitation and gives certain powers<br \/>\nknow to the ancients: the power to be extremely light or extremely heavy, very<br \/>\nbig or very tine (<i>garim&#257;,<br \/>\nlaghim&#257;, mahim&#257;, an<span>&#61481;<\/span>im&#257;<\/i>). As an appendix to this<br \/>\ntalk we publish an extract from a conversation of Sri Aurobindo with a French<br \/>\nscientist-disciple, dealing with some of these \u201ctrue movements\u201d behind the<br \/>\nexternal movement of Matter.<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"2\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 61<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But,<br \/>\nyou see, when our little humanity says three hundred years with the same body,<br \/>\nyou say: \u201cWhy! when I am fifty it already begins to decompose, so at three<br \/>\nhundred it will be a horrible thing!\u201d But it is not like that. If it is three<br \/>\nhundred years with a body that goes on perfecting itself from year to year,<br \/>\nperhaps when the three hundredth year is reached one will say: \u201cOh! I still<br \/>\nneed three or four hundred more to be what I want to be.\u201d If each year that<br \/>\npasses represents a progress, a transformation, one would like to have more and<br \/>\nmore years in order to be able to transform oneself more and more. When<br \/>\nsomething is not exactly as you want it to be &#8211; take, for example, simply one<br \/>\nof the things I have just described, say, plasticity or lightness or elasticity<br \/>\nor luminosity, and none of them is exactly as you want it, then you will still<br \/>\nneed at least two hundred years more so that it may be accomplished, but you<br \/>\nnever think: \u201cHow is it? It is still going to last two hundred years more!\u201d On<br \/>\nthe contrary, you say: \u201cTwo hundred years more are absolutely necessary so that<br \/>\nit may be truly done.\u201d And then, when all is done, when all is perfect, then<br \/>\nthere is no longer any question of years, for you are immortal. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But<br \/>\nthere are many objections that may be raised. It may be said that it would be<br \/>\nimpossible for the body to change unless something changes in the surroundings<br \/>\nalso. What would be your relation with other objects if you have changed so<br \/>\nmuch? With other beings also? It seems necessary that a whole set of things<br \/>\nchanges, at least in relative proportions, so that one can exist, continue to<br \/>\nexist. This then brings much complication, for it is no longer one individual<br \/>\nconsciousness that has to do the work, it becomes a collective consciousness.<br \/>\nAnd so it is much more difficult still.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">(<i>Silence<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">If we are not conscious of all that the<br \/>\nDivine is doing for us, do we not progress? <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 62<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">You<br \/>\nprogress, but you are not conscious of your progress; and so it is not a willed<br \/>\nprogress. That is, it is a progress that the Divine brings about in you without<br \/>\nyour collaboration. That takes much more time. It does occur, but it takes much<br \/>\nmore time. When you are conscious and collaborate and indeed do consciously<br \/>\nwhat you should do, it is done much more quickly. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">There<br \/>\nare many people who are not even conscious, the immense majority of people are<br \/>\nnot even conscious of the action of the divine Force in them. If you speak to<br \/>\nthem about it, they look at you in round-eyed wonder, they think you are half<br \/>\nmad, they don\u2019t know what you are talking about. That is the vast majority of<br \/>\nhuman beings. And yet the Consciousness is at work, working all the time. It<br \/>\nmoulds them from within whether they want it or not. But then, when they become<br \/>\nconscious of this, there are people who are shocked by it, who are so stupid as<br \/>\nto revolt and say: \u201cAh! no, I want it to be <i>myself<\/i>!\u201d<br \/>\nMyself, that is, an imbecile who knows nothing. And then, that stage too<br \/>\npasses. At last there comes a moment when one collaborates and says: \u201cOh! What<br \/>\njoy!\u201d And you give yourself, you want to be as passive and receptive as<br \/>\npossible so as not to stand in the way of this divine Will, this divine<br \/>\nConsciousness that is acting. You become more and more attentive, and exactly<br \/>\nto the extent you become more attentive and more sincere, you feel in what<br \/>\ndirection, in what movement this divine Consciousness is working, and you give<br \/>\nyourself to it wholly. The thing ripens more quickly. And in this way you are<br \/>\ntruly able to do in a few minutes the work that would otherwise take years. And<br \/>\nthat is the goal of yoga: one can do the work in a few hours, in a<br \/>\nconcentrated, shortened time; one can do in another way what Nature is doing \u2013<br \/>\nNature will do it, Nature will succeed in transforming all this, but when one<br \/>\nsees the time she has taken to do what she has done till now, if one wants to<br \/>\ndo all that in another way Evidently, for the divine Consciousness time means<br \/>\nvery little, but for the consciousness here, it is very long. There is a point<br \/>\nof view from which you say: \u201cBah! That will<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 63<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">be done, it<br \/>\nis sure to come about, so it is all right, one has only to let things go on.\u201d But<br \/>\nthen it is not the external human consciousness, it does not take part, for<br \/>\nthis tiny consciousness which has been formed by the body (this body that\u2019s at<br \/>\npresent made in this way), well, it will have gone away long before the thing<br \/>\nis done. Because after all the progress of Nature is not accomplished from one<br \/>\ncentury to another. If we look back, we do not see that there has been really<br \/>\nmuch progress in comparison with what man was some three thousand years ago \u2013<br \/>\njust a little, something; something that happens particularly in the head which<br \/>\nunderstands a little better; and then a kind of control over what Nature does,<br \/>\nan understanding of her processes; one begins to understand her tricks. Then as<br \/>\none begins to learn her tricks, one begins to intervene. But as one does not<br \/>\nhave the true knowledge, when one intervenes one may very easily make a lot of<br \/>\nblunders Indeed, I do not know what will happen when men will know all the<br \/>\nsecrets of the formation of matter, for example. They have already invented a<br \/>\nvery fine way of destroying themselves. We shall see what is going to happen.<br \/>\nBut this is just a very small step; it happens particularly here (<i>pointing to the head<\/i>), with very<br \/>\nrelative material results. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">How should one practise this<br \/>\nconsciousness?<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">You must establish<br \/>\nthis will to be conscious constantly and then change the mental will into an<br \/>\naspiration. You must have this movement. And then never to forget. You must<br \/>\nlook, look at yourself, and look at your life with the sincerity not to make a<br \/>\nmistake, never to deceive yourself. Oh! how difficult it is! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Did<br \/>\nyou ever have spontaneously \u2013 spontaneously without effort &#8211; the perception<br \/>\nthat you had made a mistake? I am not speaking of an external reaction that<br \/>\ngives you a knock, wakes you up suddenly and you say: \u201cOh my God, what have I<br \/>\ndone?\u201d I am not speaking of that. When you do a thing, feel a thing, when you<br \/>\nsay a thing \u2013 take simply the petty quarrels<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 &nbsp;64<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">like those<br \/>\nI hear about at least a dozen of them a day (at least), idiotic, (I wonder how,<br \/>\nhaving one\u2019s reason, one can quarrel about such things), well, at the time you<br \/>\nutter those words that should not be uttered, that are simply silly, do you see<br \/>\nthat you are truly stupid \u2013 not to say anything worse \u2013 spontaneously?.. You<br \/>\nalways give an excuse. You have always the feeling that the other person is<br \/>\nwrong, and that you are right and that, indeed, he must be told that he is<br \/>\nwrong, yes? Otherwise he would never know it! Isn\u2019t that so? I am putting the<br \/>\nthing rather glaringly, as though under a small microscope, so that it may look<br \/>\na little bigger. But it is like that. And so long as it is like that, you are a<br \/>\nmillion miles away from the true consciousness. When you are unable<br \/>\nimmediately, instantaneously to step back, put yourself in the place of the<br \/>\nother person, understand why he has this feeling, have a glimpse of your own<br \/>\nweakness, compare the two and come to the conclusion: \u201cWell, it is that, that\u2019s<br \/>\nthe true thing\u201d, it means that you are still very far behind. When you are able<br \/>\nto do it spontaneously, instantaneously, when it does not take time, when it is<br \/>\na natural movement, then you may feel satisfied that you have made a little<br \/>\nprogress\u2026 How many times do you have the experience during the day? Even if you<br \/>\ndo not come to an open quarrel, how many times is the reaction there in the<br \/>\nhead, there, something that leaps up in the head, instead of this wisdom of<br \/>\nequanimity which, at the very moment things are happening and it is observing<br \/>\nthem, understands how they are happening and why all this occurs \u2013 and that<br \/>\nimpersonally enough to be able to smile always and never have a violent<br \/>\nreaction, never. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">And<br \/>\neven if you perceive the Truth, which is far beyond and far above, and the<br \/>\nTruth that is not realised and you want to realise, if you have its clear vision<br \/>\nand can see constantly the difference between what is true and what should be<br \/>\nand what is false and deformed and must give place to the other, see it so<br \/>\nclearly, there is no reaction any longer, and even things that seem to you most<br \/>\nstupid, most idiotic, most obscure, most<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 65<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='text-align:center'><span lang=\"EN-GB\" style='color:#E6961A'><\/p>\n<hr size=\"2\" width=\"100%\" align=\"center\">\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">ignorant,<br \/>\nmost vulgar, most crude can make you smile, for you are able 65to see the whole<br \/>\nlength of the way you have to cover so that That which is up there may come<br \/>\ndown here. And if you had had violent reactions, long ago there would have been<br \/>\nno world any more. Because, in truth, if the world could exist only on<br \/>\ncondition of its being true, then long ago it would have ceased to exist! For<br \/>\nit has never been true even to this very day. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">But<br \/>\nif you remain in that consciousness and look from there, then you begin to<br \/>\nunderstand something of the truth. And this consciousness has to be so total,<br \/>\nthat even if things come directly against you, even the physical movement of<br \/>\nsomeone coming to beat you (you must not allow him to kill you, no; you have<br \/>\nperhaps to do what is necessary not to get killed), but if you are yourself in<br \/>\nthis perfect consciousness and have no personal reaction, well, I give you the<br \/>\nguarantee the other cannot kill you. He will not be able to, even if he tries.<br \/>\nHe will not be able to beat you, even if he tries. Only, you must not have a<br \/>\nsingle violent or wrong vibration, you understand? Even if there is just a<br \/>\nlittle false vibration, that opens the door and the thing enters and all goes<br \/>\nwrong. You must be fully conscious, have the full knowledge, the perfect<br \/>\nmastery over everything, the clear vision of the Truth \u2013 and perfect peace. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-GB\">You<br \/>\nmust make an effort all the time. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Voila<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-GB\">. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-GB\"><font size=\"3\">Page \u2013 66<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;20 May 1953 &nbsp; You have said: \u201cAnd as for those who have the will of running away, even they, when they go over to&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[126],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4496","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-05-questions-and-answers-volume-05","wpcat-126-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4496","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4496"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4496\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4496"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4496"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4496"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}