{"id":4521,"date":"2013-07-13T01:56:35","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=4521"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:56:35","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:56:35","slug":"03-18-january-1956-vol-08-questions-and-answers-volume-08","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/01-cwmce\/08-questions-and-answers-volume-08\/03-18-january-1956-vol-08-questions-and-answers-volume-08","title":{"rendered":"-03_18 January 1956.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"Section1\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span><font size=\"3\">18 January 1956 <\/font><br \/>\n<font size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Sweet Mother, here Sri Aurobindo<br \/>\nwrites, \u201cFor all this first period he [the individual] has to work by means of<br \/>\nthe instruments of the lower Nature.\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><br \/>\n<span><font size=\"2\">The Synthesis of Yoga, p. 79<\/font><\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>What is this work, and how is it<br \/>\naccomplished<\/span><\/i><span>? <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>There is a positive side and a negative side to this work. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>The positive side is to increase<br \/>\none\u2019s aspiration, develop one\u2019s consciousness, unify one\u2019s being, to go within<br \/>\nin order to enter more and more into contact with one\u2019s psychic being; to take<br \/>\nup all the parts, all the movements, all the activities of one\u2019s being and put<br \/>\nthem before this psychic consciousness so that they fall into their true place<br \/>\nin relation to this centre; finally, to organise all one\u2019s aspiration towards<br \/>\nthe Divine and one\u2019s progress towards the Divine. That is the positive side. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;At the same time the negative<br \/>\nside consists in refusing methodically and with discernment all the influences<br \/>\nwhich e from outside or from the subconscient or inconscient or from the<br \/>\nenvironment, and stand in the way of spiritual progress. One must discern these<br \/>\ninfluences, suggestions, impulses, and systematically refuse them without ever<br \/>\ngetting discouraged by their persistence and ever yielding to their will. One<br \/>\nmust, at the same time, observe clearly in one\u2019s being all its different<br \/>\nelements, obscure, egoistic, unconscious, or even ill-willed, which consciously<br \/>\nor otherwise, answer these bad influences, and allow them not only to penetrate<br \/>\ninto the consciousness, but sometimes to get settled there. That is the<br \/>\nnegative side. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Both must be practised at the<br \/>\nsame time. According to the moment, the occasion, the inner readiness, you must<br \/>\ninsist now on one, now on the other, but never forget either of them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Generally, all progress made<br \/>\non one side is set off by an<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;text-indent:.25in;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 22<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>attack of the adverse forces on the other. So, the more you<br \/>\nadvance, the more vigilant must you become. And the most essential quality is<br \/>\nperseverance, endurance, and a\u2026 what shall I call it?\u2013 a kind of inner good<br \/>\nhumour which helps you not to get discouraged, not to become sad, and to face<br \/>\nall difficulties with a smile. There is an English word which expresses this<br \/>\nvery well \u2014 cheerfulness. If you can keep this within you, you fight much<br \/>\nbetter, resist much better, in the light, these bad influences which try to<br \/>\nhinder you from progressing. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;That is the work. It is vast<br \/>\nand complex. And one must never forget anything. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span>Sweet Mother, \u201cThe Supreme has laid<br \/>\nhis luminous hand upon a chosen human vessel of his miraculous Light and Power<br \/>\nand Ananda.\u201d<\/span><\/i><\/span><span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'>\n<span><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">Ibid.,<br \/>\np. 81<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Does the Supreme choose the being who will be his instrument, or<br \/>\ndoes the being choose<span>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span>to bee his<br \/>\ninstrument?<\/span><\/i><\/span><b><span><\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>You can take it as you like. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;One can\u2019t tell who began! But<br \/>\nthe two usually take place at the same time. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;If you want an order of<br \/>\npriority, it is evident that the Divine exists before the individual, so it<br \/>\nmust be the Divine who has chosen first! But that is a choice prior to<br \/>\nterrestrial life. In the order of the ordinary human consciousness it may be<br \/>\none or the other or both at the same time. In fact, it is likely that the<br \/>\nDivine is the first to notice that this or that being is ready! But he who is<br \/>\nready generally does not know it to begin with, so he has the impression that<br \/>\nit is he who has decided and is choosing. But this is more of an impression<br \/>\nthan a reality. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>And once you are chosen, it is<br \/>\nineluctable, you can\u2019t escape even if you try.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;text-indent:.25in;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 23<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Sweet Mother, here I would like an<br \/>\nexplanation: \u201cIn the last period there is no effort at all, no set method, no<br \/>\nfixed sadhana; the place of endeavour and tapasya will be taken by a natural,<br \/>\nsimple, powerful and happy disclosing of the flower of the Divine out of the<br \/>\nbud of a purified and perfected terrestrial nature.\u201d <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><br \/>\n<span><font size=\"2\">The Synthesis of Yoga, p. 81<\/font><\/span><\/i><\/span><span><font size=\"2\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>It is in a poetic form. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>But what is it you don\u2019t<br \/>\nunderstand? Why he speaks about the bud and the flower? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>I am asking this because the bud<br \/>\nopens into a flower without any effort, but we have to make an effort, haven\u2019t<br \/>\nwe?<\/span><\/i><\/span><span> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>He says that this happens when one is ready; it is precisely to<br \/>\nmake you think \u201cbut the bud opens without effort\u201d; so, when the nature is<br \/>\nready, the same thing happens as with the bud. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;\u201cEffort\u201d, I don\u2019t know what<br \/>\nwe call effort, it is not certain whether the plant makes an effort or not. And<br \/>\nin any case, it has an aspiration; plants grow because they aspire for the<br \/>\nlight, for the sun, for open air. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;And it\u2019s a kind of petition.<br \/>\nIf one goes into a wood, for instance, into a park where there are many<br \/>\ndifferent plants, one can observe very clearly that there is a sort of petition<br \/>\namong plants to s each other and reach the light and open air above. It is<br \/>\nindeed quite wonderful to see. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Now, Sri Aurobindo means that<br \/>\nwhen one is well prepared and the nature is ready, then the last movement is like<br \/>\na spontaneous blossoming \u2014 it\u2019s no longer an effort, it\u2019s an answer. It is a<br \/>\ntruly divine action in the being: one is prepared and the moment has e, then<br \/>\nthe bud opens.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Is there an aspiration for growth<br \/>\nin children also, as there is in plants<\/span><\/i><\/span><span>?<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211;<br \/>\n24<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Yes. Even, very often it is conscious: they want to be tall.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>being tall or short Does it then<br \/>\ndepend upon their aspiration \u2014 their? <\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>At a particular time, yes. Indeed, I have known children who have<br \/>\ngrown tall because they had a very strong will to grow. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Yes, that has an effect even<br \/>\nwhen one is no longer quite a child. I have seen cases of people who grew<br \/>\ntaller even at twenty-five, so very anxious were they to grow tall. And I am<br \/>\nnot speaking of those who have practised physical culture, for that\u2019s<br \/>\ndifferent; with physical training one can considerably change one\u2019s body; I am<br \/>\njust speaking of an aspiration, an inner will. The body is sufficiently plastic<br \/>\ntill twenty-five. Later one must introduce more scientific methods, like<br \/>\nphysical culture; and if that is done wisely and methodically, one can obtain<br \/>\nwonderful results. But always, behind it, there must be a will, that is very<br \/>\nimportant; a kind of tenacious aspiration, a knowledge, or even a faith that<br \/>\none is not necessarily tied down by atavism. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;For obviously, like plants,<br \/>\none is limited by the original seed, the species to which one belongs. But all<br \/>\nthe same there is a wide margin. For instance, I have very many times seen<br \/>\nchildren who were considerably taller than their parents, and had truly wanted<br \/>\nto be so. Of course, it was against a certain resistance and within a certain<br \/>\nlimit, but one can push back the limit a good deal. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;And in fact, according to the<br \/>\ntheories of heredity and atavism, it is said that heredity can skip<br \/>\ngenerations, and there are few families where at least one member was not tall<br \/>\nand so could justify the height of his grandchildren or great-grandchildren.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Sweet Mother, can a plant grow<br \/>\notherwise than physically? <\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>In plants there is a great vital force. And this vital force has a<br \/>\n&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211;<br \/>\n25<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>considerable action. And there is also the genius of the species,<br \/>\nwhich is a consciousness. There is already an active consciousness at work in<br \/>\nplants. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;And in the genius of the<br \/>\nspecies there is a beginning \u2014 quite embryonic, but still \u2014 there is a<br \/>\nbeginning of response to the psychic influence, and certain flowers are clearly<br \/>\nthe expression of a psychic attitude and aspiration in the plant, not very<br \/>\nconscious of itself, but existing like a spontaneous impetus. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;It is quite certain, for<br \/>\ninstance, that if you have a special affection for a plant, if, in addition to<br \/>\nthe material care you give it, you love it, if you feel close to it, it feels<br \/>\nthis; its blossoming is much more harmonious and happy, it grows better, it<br \/>\nlives longer. All this means a response in the plant itself. Consequently,<br \/>\nthere is the presence there of a certain consciousness; and surely the plant<br \/>\nhas a vital being. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Mother, does a plant have its own<br \/>\nindividuality and does it also reincarnate after death? <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>This may happen, but it is accidental. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>There are trees \u2014 trees especially<br \/>\n\u2014 which have lived long and can be the home of a conscious being, a vital<br \/>\nbeing. Generally it is vital entities which take shelter in trees, or else<br \/>\ncertain beings of the vital plane which live in forests \u2014 as certain beings of<br \/>\nthe vital live in water. There were old legends like that, but they were based<br \/>\non facts. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;The plant serves as home and<br \/>\nshelter, but the being is not created by the plant itself! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'>\n<span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (Silence)<\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><span><i><span>Can the being who is chosen by the<br \/>\nDivine know it from his very birth? <\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>Even before his birth.<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211;<br \/>\n26<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Perhaps his birth is the<br \/>\nresult of this choice; generally it is like that. But at any time at all in his<br \/>\nlife this can happen. Yet for those who are predestined it is before birth;<br \/>\nusually they e to earth with an intention and a specific purpose. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;You would like to know very<br \/>\nmuch if this has happened to you, yes? <i>(Laughter<\/i>)<br \/>\nWell, try \u2014 try to find out: have this inner aspiration, concentrate, and then<br \/>\ntry. If you get a result, tell me; I shall tell you if it is right. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;(Looking at another disciple)<br \/>\nHe has yet something on his mind! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Mother, to continue this question<br \/>\nabout the last sentence: \u201cThe Supreme has laid his luminous hand upon a chosen<br \/>\nhuman vessel of his miraculous Light\u2026\u201d <\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>Yes. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><span>\u00a0<\/span><i>Can this<br \/>\nbe applied generally or is it for one in a million? <\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>What do you mean by \u201cgenerally\u201d? Everyone on earth? Is that what<br \/>\nyou mean? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'><i><b><br \/>\n<span>\u00a0<\/span><\/b><span>All those who aspire and do yoga, or is it<br \/>\nonly one person? <\/span><\/i><span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>Oh! now it begins to take shape! (Laughter) Is it only one<br \/>\nindividual the Divine chooses to manifest Him or can He choose several? \u2014 He<br \/>\nchooses several. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;But here too there is a<br \/>\nhierarchy. One can understand nothing of the spiritual life if one does not understand<br \/>\nthe true hierarchy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>Nowadays it\u2019s not in fashion. It is<br \/>\nsomething which human thought doesn\u2019t favour at all. But from the spiritual<br \/>\npoint of view, it is automatic, spontaneous and indisputable. And so, if&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;text-indent:.25in;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 27<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span><span>\u00a0<\/span>the hierarchy is true,<br \/>\nthere is a place for everybody; and for each individual in his own place, his<br \/>\nindividual truth is absolute. That is to say, each element which is truly in<br \/>\nits place has a total and perfect relation with the Divine \u2014 in its place. And<br \/>\nyet, on the whole, there is a hierarchy which too is quite absolute. But to<br \/>\nunderstand spiritual life one must first understand that; and it isn\u2019t very<br \/>\neasy. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Everyone can be a perfect<br \/>\nexpression of the Divine in himself, on condition that he knows his place and<br \/>\nkeeps to it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.5in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>And if they do not know the<br \/>\nhierarchy, they cannot know this? <\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>But they don\u2019t need to know that they form a hierarchy, it is not<br \/>\nnecessary to know it. It is only if one wants to physically organise a<br \/>\nspiritual society \u2014 then one has to materialise the hierarchy. But generally,<br \/>\nin the world as it is, there are so many gaps in this hierarchy that it seems a<br \/>\nconfusion. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;The perfect hierarchy is a<br \/>\ntotal hierarchy, and it is not concerned with time and space. But when you want<br \/>\nto realise this physically it becomes very difficult. It\u2019s like weaving a piece<br \/>\nof cloth with lots of holes everywhere; and the holes disturb the general<br \/>\nharmony. Always people are missing, steps are missing, pieces are missing on<br \/>\nthe chess-board \u2014 all this is missing. So it looks like a confusion. But if<br \/>\neverything were expressed and each thing in its place, it would be a perfect<br \/>\nharmony and a perfect hierarchy. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;There is somewhere \u2014 not in<br \/>\nthe material universe, but in the manifested universe \u2014 this perfect hierarchy;<br \/>\nit exists. But it is not yet manifested upon earth. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Perhaps this will be one of<br \/>\nthe results of the supramental transformation: the world will be ready for a<br \/>\nperfect, spontaneous, essentially true hierarchical manifestation \u2014 and without<br \/>\nany kind of coercion \u2014 where everyone will bee aware of his own perfection.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;text-indent:.25in;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211; 28<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Mother, what does a spiritual<br \/>\nhierarchy mean exactly? Because when we speak of hierarchy that implies<br \/>\nsomething graded in a superior and inferior order, doesn\u2019t it?<\/span><\/i><\/span><span> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>Yes, and that\u2019s quite wrong. That is to say, materially it is like<br \/>\nthat. But this is not what I call a hierarchy. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<\/span><i><span><br \/>\n<span>Then what is a hierarchy?<\/span><b> <\/b><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>It is the organisation of the functions and the manifestation in<br \/>\naction of the particular nature of each person. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;We have often tried to find<br \/>\ncomparisons, but they are worthless. For none of the things we know physically<br \/>\ncan answer to that condition. There is always the sense of superiority and<br \/>\ninferiority as you say\u2026. Some have pared a hierarchy to the various functions<br \/>\nof the body, for example. But that always gives the impression that the head is<br \/>\nat the top and the feet at the bottom, so it is a nuisance! <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<\/span><i><span><br \/>\n<span>Each element is the whole Divine at<br \/>\nthe same time, then how can we speak of a hierarchy?<\/span><b> <\/b><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>Each element has a direct and perfect relation with the Divine. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span>But can\u2019t they become the whole Divine<\/span><\/i><\/span><span><span>?<\/span><b><br \/>\n<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>Yes, all become the Divine; but not the totality of the Divine,<br \/>\nfor the Divine is everything. You can\u2019t take a piece of the Divine and say,<br \/>\n\u201cThis is the Divine.\u201d And yet, in his spiritual consciousness each one has a<br \/>\nperfect relation with the Divine, that is to say, each one is the Divine as<br \/>\nperfectly as he can be. But to reconstruct the Divine, all the Divine is<br \/>\nnecessary. And it is precisely this that constitutes the very essence of<br \/>\nhierarchy. But as each one is perfect in himself, there can be no feeling of<br \/>\ninferiority or superiority.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211;<br \/>\n29<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;I don\u2019t think the human<br \/>\nmentality can understand that. I think it must be lived; once one has lived it,<br \/>\nit is very simple, it appears luminously simple. But to understand it with the<br \/>\nmind is not possible, it seems impossible. Above all because the mind, in order<br \/>\nto understand anything at all, has to divide and contrast everything, otherwise<br \/>\nit does not understand, it gets confused. By its very functioning, it becomes<br \/>\nincapable of understanding. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span>(<i>Silence<\/i>)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Sweet Mother, how can one say that<br \/>\na fact is \u201calready accomplished\u201d where it has not yet been manifested for instance,<br \/>\nthat the Divine has chosen an instrument, when nothing is yet apparent?<\/span><\/i><\/span><span> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>Yes, within, in the world which is not yet manifested, the<br \/>\ndecision is there, it is taken there; but then it must come to the surface. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;It corresponds exactly to what<br \/>\nI have already told you so often about the freedom of India. After going to a<br \/>\ncertain plane, I said to Sri Aurobindo, \u201cIndia is free.\u201d I didn\u2019t say,<br \/>\n\u201cShe<span>\u00a0 <\/span>will be free\u201d; I said, \u201cShe is<br \/>\nfree.\u201d Well, between that moment when it was an accomplished fact and the time<br \/>\nwhen it was translated into the material world on earth, how many years were<br \/>\nnecessary? It was in 1915, and liberation came in 1947, that is, thirty-two<br \/>\nyears later. There you are, that is the exact picture of the resistance. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;So, for the individual it is<br \/>\nthe same thing; sometimes it takes as long as that, sometimes it goes faster. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>You say you saw India free\u2026<\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>No, I did not see: I knew. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>You said to Sri Aurobindo: \u201cIndia<br \/>\nis free.\u201d Was India free as one whole or cut into two as it is at present?<\/span><\/i><\/span><i><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211;<br \/>\n30<\/font><\/span><i><span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<span> <\/span>I meant specially what happened in 1947, that is, the withdrawal of<br \/>\nforeign domination, that\u2019s all. Nothing but that, not her moral or spiritual<br \/>\nfreedom, I did not speak of that at all. I simply said she was free from<br \/>\nforeign domination, because, even to a question Sri Aurobindo put to me, I<br \/>\nanswered from the same plane, \u201cThere will be no violence, this will e about<br \/>\nwithout a revolution, it will be the English who will decide to go away of<br \/>\ntheir own accord, for things will bee too hot for them owing to certain world<br \/>\ncircumstances.\u201d So that was the only point, there was no spiritual question<br \/>\nhere. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;And that\u2019s how things<br \/>\nhappened. And I had told Sri Aurobindo this in 1915, exactly. It was all there,<br \/>\nit was there \u2014 I guessed nothing nor prophesied anything: it was a fact. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;And so, that gives you the<br \/>\nexact picture of the length of time necessary between the established fact and<br \/>\nthe inner realisation. And for the individual it is the same thing: he is<br \/>\nchosen, he has chosen; and he has chosen the Divine and he is chosen; and it is<br \/>\nsomething which has been decided; and it will be realised inevitably, one can\u2019t<br \/>\nescape even if one tries. Only, it may take a very long time. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>Mother, I was asking\u2026 (laughter)<br \/>\nYou said that India was free in 1915, but was she free as she is free now?<br \/>\nBecause India is not free as one whole. She is broken up. <\/span><\/i><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><b><i><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;Oh! Oh! that\u2019s what you wanted to know. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;That\u2026 the details were not<br \/>\nthere. No, there must have been a possibility of its being otherwise, for, when<br \/>\nSri Aurobindo told them to do a certain thing, sent them his message,\u00b9 he knew <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">\u00b9In<br \/>\n1942, at the time of the proposals offered by the British through Sir Stafford<br \/>\nCripps, not yet granting independence to India but leading towards it, Sri Aurobindo<br \/>\ntook the trouble of sending a special messenger to Delhi to convince certain<br \/>\nresponsible persons that the proposals <i>must<br \/>\nbe<\/i> accepted. They did not understand. Had the proposals been accepted, the<br \/>\npartition of India and its accompanying atrocities would most probably have<br \/>\nbeen avoided.<\/font><\/span><span><font size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<div style='border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page &#8211;<br \/>\n31<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>very well that it was possible to avoid what happened later. If<br \/>\nthey had listened to him at that time, there would have been no division.<br \/>\nConsequently, the division was not decreed, it was a human deformation. It is<br \/>\nbeyond question a human deformation. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>But then, how can it be said that<br \/>\nthe decision of the Supreme cannot be eluded?<\/span><\/i><\/span><span> <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>What? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>If the Divine had chosen that India<br \/>\nwould be free\u2026<\/span><\/i><\/span><i><span><\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><i><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>No, no, it\u2019s not like that, my child! (Laughter)<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;It\u2019s a <i>fact<\/i>, that\u2019s all. It is the Divine who is India, it is the Divine<br \/>\nwho is freedom, it is the Divine who is subjection, it is the Divine who is<br \/>\neverything \u2014 then how could He choose? <\/span><br \/>\n<span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span><i><span>(Silence)<\/span><\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;line-height:150%'><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-align:justify;text-indent:.25in;line-height:150%'><span>I advise you to go up there and<br \/>\nsee, then you will understand. So long as you have not climbed right up the<br \/>\nladder, it will be difficult to understand.<\/span><span>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;border:medium none;padding:0in;line-height:150%'>\n<span><font size=\"3\">Page 32<\/font><\/span><span><font size=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/font><\/span><b><font size=\"2\"><\/b><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>18 January 1956 &nbsp; &nbsp; Sweet Mother, here Sri Aurobindo writes, \u201cFor all this first period he [the individual] has to work by means of&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[127],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4521","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-08-questions-and-answers-volume-08","wpcat-127-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4521","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4521"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4521\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4521"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4521"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4521"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}