{"id":522,"date":"2013-07-13T01:28:35","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:28:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=522"},"modified":"2013-07-13T01:28:35","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T01:28:35","slug":"08-beginnings-of-yoga-vol-26-on-himself-volume-26","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/01-works-of-sri-aurobindo\/01-sabcl\/26-on-himself-volume-26\/08-beginnings-of-yoga-vol-26-on-himself-volume-26","title":{"rendered":"-08_Beginnings of Yoga.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<table border=\"0\" cellpadding=\"6\" style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" width=\"100%\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div class=\"Section1\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><b><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"3\">s<\/font><\/span><span style=\"font-variant: small-caps\" lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"3\">ection<br \/>\n<\/font><\/span><\/b><b><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"3\">T<span style=\"font-variant: small-caps\">WO<\/span><\/font><\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"4\">BEGINNINGS OF YOGA<\/font><\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"Section2\">\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">AN EARLY<br \/>\nEXPERIENCE<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"FR1\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%' align=\"justify\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"FR1\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%' align=\"justify\">\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:108%;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'>Q<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:108%;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";font-weight:normal'>:<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:108%;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";font-weight:normal'> X says that it is written somewhere that you had a<br \/>\nrealisation in 1890.<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:108%;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'> <\/span><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:108%;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";font-weight:normal'>Is<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:108%;font-family:\"Times New Roman\";font-weight:normal'> it true ?<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt;line-height:108%;font-family:\"Times New Roman\"'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A:<\/b><br \/>\nA realisation in 1890? It does not seem possible. There was something, though I<br \/>\nwas not doing Yoga and knew nothing about it, in the year of my departure from<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-US\">England<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">; I don&#8217;t remember which it was but probably 1892-93&#8230;. I don&#8217;t remember anything special in 1890.<br \/>\nWhere did he see this written?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">22-8-1936<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">GLIMPSES<br \/>\nOF SPIRITUAL POSSIBILITY<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><b><i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nQ:<\/span><\/i><\/b><i><span lang=\"EN-US\"> Is it true that only those who had, before beginning their Sadhana,<br \/>\na clear knowledge of their spiritual possibility through a definite glimpse<br \/>\nreceived by the Divine Grace are able to stick to their path till the end, while<br \/>\nthose who had no such glimpse may get some experience but will not be able to<br \/>\nstick to their Sadhana?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>:<br \/>\nAt least I had no such glimpse before I started Yoga. I can&#8217;t say about others \u2014<br \/>\nperhaps some had \u2014 but the glimpse could only bring faith, it could not possibly<br \/>\nbring knowledge; know\u00adledge comes by Yoga, not before it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I repeat<br \/>\nthat all one needs to know is whether the soul in one has been moved to the Yoga<br \/>\nor not.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">5-5-1933<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">Do you<br \/>\nthink that Buddha or Confucius or myself were born with a prevision that they or<br \/>\nI would take to the spiritual life? So long as one is in the ordinary<br \/>\nconsciousness, one lives the ordinary life. When the awakening and the new<br \/>\nconsciousness come, one leaves it \u2014 nothing puzzling in that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">27-4-1936<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">Page \u2013 75<\/font>&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><b><span lang=\"EN-US\">THE ONE THING ESSENTIAL<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I do not<br \/>\nknow what X said or in which article, I do not have it with me. But if the<br \/>\nstatement is that nobody can have a successful meditation or realise anything<br \/>\ntill he is pure and perfect, I fail to follow it: it contradicts my own<br \/>\nexperience. I have always had realisation by meditation first and the<br \/>\npurification started afterwards as a result. I have seen many get important,<br \/>\neven fundamental realisations by meditation who could not be said to have a<br \/>\ngreat inner development. Are all Yogis who have meditated with effect and had<br \/>\ngreat realisations in their inner consciousness perfect in their nature ? It<br \/>\ndoes not look like it to me. I am unable to believe in absolute generalisations<br \/>\nin this field, because the development of spiritual consciousness is an<br \/>\nexceedingly vast and complex affair in which all sorts of things can happen and<br \/>\none might almost say that for each man it is different according to his nature<br \/>\nand that the one thing that is essential is the inner call and aspiration and<br \/>\nthe perseverance to follow always after it, no matter how long it takes, what<br \/>\nare the difficulties or impediments, because nothing else will satisfy the soul<br \/>\nwithin us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">If<br \/>\nabsolute surrender, faith, etc. from the beginning were essential for Yoga, then<br \/>\nnobody could do it. I myself could not have done it if such a condition had been<br \/>\ndemanded of me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">8-3-1935<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">THE<br \/>\nFIRST CONCRETE REALISATION<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">In a more<br \/>\ndeep and spiritual sense a concrete realisation is that which makes the thing<br \/>\nrealised more real, dynamic, intimately present to the consciousness than any<br \/>\nphysical thing can be. Such a realisation of the personal Divine or of the<br \/>\nimpersonal Brahman or of the Self does not usually come at the beginning of a<br \/>\nSadhana or in the first years or for many years. It comes so to a very few; mine<br \/>\ncame fifteen years after my first pre-yogic <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:108%'>Page &#8211; 76<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nexperience in <\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">London<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"> and in the<br \/>\nfifth year after I started Yoga. That I consider extraordinarily quick, an<br \/>\nexpress train speed almost, although there may no doubt have been several<br \/>\nquicker achievements. But to expect and demand it so soon would be taken in the<br \/>\neyes of any experienced Yogi or Sadhak as a rather rash and abnormal impatience.<br \/>\nMost would say that a slow development is the best one can hope for in the first<br \/>\nyears and only when the nature is ready and fully concentrated towards the<br \/>\nDivine can the definitive experience come.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">June, 1934<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">PERSONAL EFFORT AND ACTION OF GRACE<\/span><\/b><b><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='color:blue'><\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">By the<br \/>\nway, what is this story about my four or five hours&#8217; concentration a day for<br \/>\nseveral years before anything came down ? Such a thing never happened, if by<br \/>\nconcentration you mean laborious meditation. What I did was four or five hours a<br \/>\nday <i>pr&#257;n&#803;&#257;y&#257;ma \u2014<\/i> which is quite another matter. And what flow do you<br \/>\nspeak of? The flow of poetry came down while I was doing <i>pr&#257;n&#803;&#257;y&#257;ma,<\/i><br \/>\nnot some years afterwards. If it is the flow of expe\u00adriences, that did come<br \/>\nafter some years, but after I had stopped the <i>pr&#257;n&#803;&#257;y&#257;ma<\/i><br \/>\nfor a long time and was doing nothing and did not know what to do or where to<br \/>\nturn once all my efforts had failed. And it came not as a result of years of <i><br \/>\npr&#257;n&#803;&#257;y&#257;ma<\/i><br \/>\nor concentration, but in a ridiculously easy way, by the grace either of a<br \/>\ntemporary Guru (but it was not that, for he was himself bewildered by it) or by<br \/>\nthe grace of the eternal Brahman and afterwards by the grace of Mahakali and <\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nKrishna<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">. So don&#8217;t try to turn me into an argument against the Divine, that<br \/>\nattempt will be perfectly ineffective.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">22-1-1936<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">What is<br \/>\nthe use of saying things if you deliberately misinterpret what I write ? I said<br \/>\nclearly that the <i>pr&#257;n&#803;&#257;y&#257;ma<\/i> brought me nothing of any kind of spiritual<br \/>\nrealisation. I had stopped it long before. The Brahman experience came when I<br \/>\nwas groping for a way, doing no Sadhana at all, making no effort because I<br \/>\ndidn&#8217;t<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:108%'>Page &#8211; 77<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">know<br \/>\nwhat effort to make, all having failed. Then in three days I got an experience<br \/>\nwhich most Yogis get only at the end of a long Yoga, got it without wanting or<br \/>\ntrying after it, got it to the surprise of Lele who was trying to get me<br \/>\nsomething quite different. But I don&#8217;t suppose you are able to understand, so I<br \/>\nsay no more.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">24-1-1936<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">Why did<br \/>\nnot everything open up in me like the painting vision and some other things ?<br \/>\nAll did not. As I told you I had to plod in many things. Otherwise the affair<br \/>\nwould not have taken so many years (30). In this Yoga one can&#8217;t take a short cut<br \/>\nin everything. I had to work on each problem and on each conscious plane to<br \/>\nsolve or to transform and in each I had to take the blessed conditions as they<br \/>\nwere and do honest work without resorting to miracles. Of course if the<br \/>\nconsciousness grows all of itself, it is all right, things will come with the<br \/>\ngrowth, but not even then pell-mell in an easy gallop.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">4-4-1935<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">It is not<br \/>\nthat there is anything peculiar to you in these difficulties; every Sadhak<br \/>\nentering the Way has to get over similar impediments. It took me four years of<br \/>\ninner striving to find a real Way, even though the divine help was with me all<br \/>\nthe time, and even then, it seemed to come by an accident; and it took me ten<br \/>\nmore years of intense Yoga under a supreme inner guidance to trace it out and<br \/>\nthat was because I had my past and the world&#8217;s past to assimilate and overpass<br \/>\nbefore I could find and found the future.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"FR1\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-weight:normal;font-style:normal'><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\" face=\"Times New Roman\">5-5-1932<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:12.0pt'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I think<br \/>\nyou have made too much play with my phrase &quot;an accident&quot;, ignoring the important<br \/>\nqualification, &quot;it <i>seemed<\/i> to come by an accident&quot;. After four years <i><br \/>\n<span>&nbsp;<\/span>of<span>&nbsp;<br \/>\n<\/span>pr&#257;n&#803;&#257;y&#257;ma<\/i> and other practices on my own, with no other result than<br \/>\nan increased health and outflow of energy, some psycho-physical phenomena, a<br \/>\ngreat outflow of poetic creation, a limited power of subtle sight (luminous<br \/>\npatterns and figures, etc.) mostly with the waking<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">Page \u2013 78<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">eye, I<br \/>\nhad a complete arrest and was at a loss. At this juncture I was induced to meet<br \/>\na man without fame whom I did not know, a Bhakta with a limited mind but with<br \/>\nsome experience and evocative power. We sat together and I followed with an<br \/>\nabsolute fidelity what he instructed me to do, not myself in the least<br \/>\nunderstanding where he was leading me or where I was myself going. The first<br \/>\nresult was a series of tremendously powerful experiences and radical changes of<br \/>\nconsciousness which he had never intended \u2014 for they were Adwaitic and Vedantic<br \/>\nand he was against Adwaita Vedanta \u2014 and which were quite contrary to my own<br \/>\nideas, for they made me see with a stupendous intensity the world as a<br \/>\ncinematographic play of vacant forms in the impersonal universality of the<br \/>\nAbsolute Brahman. The final upshot was that he was made by a Voice within him to<br \/>\nhand me , over to the Divine within me enjoining an absolute surrender to its<br \/>\nwill\u2014a principle or rather a seed force to which I kept unswervingly and<br \/>\nincreasingly till it led me through all the mazes of an incalculable Yogic<br \/>\ndevelopment bound by no single rule or style or dogma or Shastra to where and<br \/>\nwhat I am now and towards what shall be hereafter. Yet he understood so little<br \/>\nwhat he was doing that when he met me a month or two later, he was alarmed,<br \/>\ntried to undo what he had done and told me that it was not the Divine but the<br \/>\ndevil that had got hold of me. Does not all that justify my phrase &quot;it seemed to<br \/>\ncome by an accident&quot; ? But my meaning is that the ways of the Divine are not<br \/>\nlike those of the human mind or according to our patterns and it is impossible<br \/>\nto judge them or to lay down for Him what He shall or shall not do, for the<br \/>\nDivine knows better than we can know. If we admit the Divine at all, both true<br \/>\nreason and Bhakti seem to me to be at one in demanding implicit faith and<br \/>\nsurrender. I do not see how without them there can be <i>avyabhic&#257;rin&#803;&#299; bhakti <\/i><br \/>\n(one-pointed adoration).<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">May, 1932<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><b><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nDEFICIENCIES OF THE HUMAN GURU<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">It is not<br \/>\nthe human defects of the Guru that can stand in the way when there is the<br \/>\npsychic opening, confidence and surrender<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 79<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">The<br \/>\nGuru is the channel or the representative or the manifestation of the Divine,<br \/>\naccording to the measure of his personality or his attainment; but whatever he<br \/>\nis, it is to the Divine that one opens in opening to him; and if something is<br \/>\ndetermined by the power of the channel, more is determined by the inherent and<br \/>\nintrinsic attitude of the receiving consciousness, an element that comes out in<br \/>\nthe surface mind as simple trust or direct unconditional self-giving, and once<br \/>\nthat is there, the essential things can be gained even from one who seems to<br \/>\nothers than the disciple an inferior spiritual source, and the rest will grow up<br \/>\nin the Sadhak of itself by the Grace of the Divine, even if the human being in<br \/>\nthe Guru cannot give it. It is this that X appears to have done perhaps from the<br \/>\nfirst; but in most nowadays this attitude seems to come with difficulty, after<br \/>\nmuch hesitation and delay and trouble. In my own case I owe the first decisive<br \/>\nturn of my inner life to one who was infinitely inferior to me in intellect,<br \/>\neducation and capacity and by no means spiritually perfect or supreme; but,<br \/>\nhaving seen a Power behind him and decided to turn there for help, I gave myself<br \/>\nentirely into his hands and followed with an automatic passivity the guidance.<br \/>\nHe himself was astonished and said to others that he had never met anyone before<br \/>\nwho could surrender himself so absolutely and without reserve or question to the<br \/>\nguidance of the helper. The result was a series of transmuting experiences of<br \/>\nsuch a radical character that he was unable to follow and had to tell me to give<br \/>\nmyself up in future to the Guide within with the same completeness of surrender<br \/>\nas I had shown to the human channel. I give this example to show how these<br \/>\nthings work; it is not in the calculated way the human reason wants to lay down,<br \/>\nbut by a more mysterious and greater law.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">23-3-1932<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><b><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\">EXPERIENCE OF THE ADWAITIC SELF<\/span><\/b><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='color:blue'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>Q<\/b>: I<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nhave read what you wrote to X the other day about the way in which you had the<br \/>\nexperience of the Self; that such a thing could have happened seems to me almost<br \/>\nunthinkable!<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:108%'>Page &#8211; 80<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>:<br \/>\nI can&#8217;t help that. It happened. The mind&#8217;s canons of the rational and the<br \/>\npossible do not give spiritual life and experience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>Q:<\/b><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"> But can you<br \/>\nnot tell us what the experience was like? Was it by any chance like the one you<br \/>\nspeak of in your Uttarpara Speech \u2014 the Vasudeva experience ?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>:<br \/>\nGreat jumble-Mumble! What has Vasudeva to do with it ? Vasudeva is the name of <\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">Krishna<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">, and in the Uttarpara I<br \/>\nwas speaking of <\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">Krishna<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">, if you please.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>\n<i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>Q:<\/b><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nBy the Self, I suppose, you mean the individual Self!<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>:<br \/>\nGood Lord, no. I mean the Self, sir, the Self, the Adwaita, Vedantic, Shankar<br \/>\nSelf. Atman, Atman! A thing I knew nothing about, never bargained for, didn&#8217;t<br \/>\nunderstand either.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"left\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"left\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>Q:<\/b><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nBut didn&#8217;t you begin Yoga later on in Gujerat ?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>:<br \/>\nYes. But this began in London, sprouted the moment I set foot on Apollo Bunder,<br \/>\ntouching Indian soil, flowered one day in the first year of my stay in Baroda,<br \/>\nat the moment when there threatened to be an accident to my carriage. Precise<br \/>\nenough?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">31-10-1935<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><b><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nREALISATION OF THE SELF AND LOVE FOR THE DIVINE<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><b><span lang=\"EN-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>Q:<\/b><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nDon&#8217;t you think your realisation of the Self helped you in your crucial moments,<br \/>\nkept up your faith and love?<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>:<br \/>\nThat has nothing to do with love. Realisation of Self and love of the personal<br \/>\nDivine are two different movements.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-indent:24pt;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">My struggle has never been about the Self. All that is perfectly<br \/>\nirrelevant to the question which concerns the Bhakta&#8217;s love for the Divine.&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:108%'>Page &#8211; 81<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"left\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><i><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>Q<\/b>: But the sweet memory of that experience of the Self<br \/>\nmust have sustained you.<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>:<br \/>\nThere was nothing sugary about it at all. And I had no need to have any memory<br \/>\nof it, because it was with me for months and years and is there now though in<br \/>\nfusion with other realisations. My point is that there are hundreds of Bhaktas<br \/>\nwho have the love and seeking without any concrete experience, with only a<br \/>\nmental conception or emotional belief in the Divine to support them. The whole<br \/>\npoint is that it is untrue to say that one must have a decisive or concrete<br \/>\nexperience before one can have love for the Divine. It is contrary to the facts<br \/>\nand the quite ordinary facts of the spiritual experience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">14-3-1936<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><b><span lang=\"EN-US\">THE<br \/>\nEXPERIENCE OF NIRVANA<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I have<br \/>\nnever said that things (in life) are harmonious now \u2014 on the contrary, with the<br \/>\nhuman consciousness as it is harmony is impossible. It is always what I have<br \/>\ntold you, that the human consciousness is defective and simply impossible \u2014 and<br \/>\nthat is why I strive for a higher consciousness to come and set right the<br \/>\ndisturbed balance. I don&#8217;t want to give you Nirvana (on paper) immediately<br \/>\nbecause Nirvana only leads up to Harmony in my communication. I am glad you are<br \/>\ngetting converted to silence, and even Nirvana is not without its uses \u2014 in my<br \/>\ncase it was the first positive spiritual experience and it made possible all the<br \/>\nrest of the Sadhana; but as to the positive way to get these things, I don&#8217;t<br \/>\nknow if your mind is quite ready to proceed with it. There are in fact several<br \/>\nways. My own way was by rejection of thought. &quot;Sit down,&quot; I was told, &quot;look and<br \/>\nyou will see that your thoughts come into you from outside. Before they enter,<br \/>\nfling them back.&quot; I sat down and looked and saw to my astonishment that it was<b> <\/b><span>so; I<\/span> saw and felt concretely the<br \/>\nthought approaching as if to enter through or above the head and was able to<br \/>\npush it back concretely before it came inside.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">In three<br \/>\ndays \u2014 really in one \u2014 my mind became full of an&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 82<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin-top:0in;text-align:center'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">eternal<br \/>\nsilence \u2014 it is still there. But that I don&#8217;t know how many people can do.<b> <\/b><span>One<\/span> (not a disciple \u2014 I had no<br \/>\ndisciples in those days) asked me how to do Yoga. I said: &quot;Make your mind quiet<br \/>\nfirst.&quot; He did and his mind became quite silent and empty. Then he rushed to me<br \/>\nsaying: &quot;My brain is empty of thoughts, I<br \/>\ncannot think. I am becoming an idiot.&quot; He did not pause to look and see where<br \/>\nthese thoughts he uttered were coming from! Nor did he realise that one who is<br \/>\nalready an idiot cannot become one. Anyhow I was not patient in those days and I<br \/>\ndropped him and let him lose his miraculously achieved silence.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-indent:24pt;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">The usual way, the easiest if one can manage it at all, is to <i>call<br \/>\ndown<\/i> the silence from above you into the brain, mind and body.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">FREEDOM AND MASTERY OF MIND<\/span><\/b><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='color:blue'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">All<br \/>\ndeveloped mental men, those who get beyond the average, have in one way or other<br \/>\nor at least at certain times and for certain purposes to separate the two parts<br \/>\nof the mind, the active part which is a factory of thoughts and the quiet<br \/>\nmasterful part which is at once a Witness and a Will, observing them, judging,<br \/>\nrejecting, eliminating, accepting, ordering corrections and changes, the Master<br \/>\nin the House of Mind, capable of self-empire, <i>s&#257;mr&#257;jya.<\/i><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-indent:24pt;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">The Yogi goes still farther; he is not only a master there, but even<br \/>\nwhile in mind in a way, he gets out of it as it were, and stands above or quite<br \/>\nback from it and free. For him the image of the factory of thoughts is no longer<br \/>\nquite valid; for he sees that thoughts come from outside, from the universal<br \/>\nMind or universal Nature, sometimes formed and distinct, sometimes unformed and<br \/>\nthen they are given shape somewhere in us. The principal business of our mind is<br \/>\neither a response of acceptance or a refusal to these thought-waves (as also<br \/>\nvital waves, subtle physical energy waves) or this giving a personal-mental form<br \/>\nto thought-stuff (or vital movements) from the environing Nature-Force. It was<br \/>\nmy great debt to Lele that he showed me this. &quot;Sit in meditation,&quot; he said, &quot;but<br \/>\ndo not think, look only at your mind; you will see thoughts <i>coming into it,<\/i><br \/>\nbefore they can&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:108%'>Page &#8211; 83<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin-top:0in;text-align:center;line-height:108%'>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">enter<br \/>\nthrow these away from your mind till your mind is capable of entire silence.&quot; I<br \/>\nhad never heard before of thoughts coming visibly into the mind from outside,<br \/>\nbut I did not think either of questioning the truth or the possibility, I simply<br \/>\nsat down and did it. In a moment my mind became silent as a windless air on a<br \/>\nhigh mountain summit and then I saw one thought and then another coming in a<br \/>\nconcrete way from outside; I flung them away before they could enter and take<br \/>\nhold of the brain and in three days I was free. From that moment, in principle,<br \/>\nthe mental being in me became a free Intelligence, a universal Mind, not limited<br \/>\nto the narrow circle of personal thought as a labourer in a thought factory, but<br \/>\na receiver of knowledge from all the hundred realms of being and free to choose<br \/>\nwhat it willed in this vast sight-empire and thought-empire. I mention this only<br \/>\nto emphasise that the possibilities of the mental being are not limited and that<br \/>\nit can be the free Witness and Master in its own house. It is not to say that<br \/>\neverybody can do it in the way I did it and with the same rapidity of the<br \/>\ndecisive movement (for, of course, the latter fullest developments of this new<br \/>\nuntrammelled mental power took time, many years) but a progressive freedom and<br \/>\nmastery of one&#8217;s mind is perfectly within the possibilities of anyone who has<br \/>\nthe faith and the will to undertake it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">5-8-1932<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">SILENCE<br \/>\nOF MIND BY DESCENT OF STILLNESS<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I find<br \/>\nnothing to object to in Prof. Sorley&#8217;s comment on the still, bright and clear<br \/>\nmind, for it adequately indicates the process by which the mind makes itself<br \/>\nready for the reflection of the higher Truth in its undisturbed surface or<br \/>\nsubstance. One thing perhaps needs to be kept in view \u2014 this pure stillness of<br \/>\nthe mind is always the required condition, the desideratum, but to bring it<br \/>\nabout there are more ways than one. It is not, for instance, only by an effort<br \/>\nof the mind itself to get clear of all intrusive emotion or passion or of its<br \/>\nown characteristic vibrations or of the obscuring fumes of a physical inertia<br \/>\nwhich brings about the sleep or torpor of the mind instead of its wakeful<br \/>\nsilence that the thing can be done \u2014 for this is only the ordinary process of<br \/>\nthe Yogic path&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 84<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">of<br \/>\nknowledge. It can happen also by a descent from above of a great spiritual<br \/>\nstillness imposing silence on the mind and heart and the life stimuli and the<br \/>\nphysical reflexes. A sudden descent of this kind or a series of descents<br \/>\naccumulative in force and efficacy is a well-known phenomenon of spiritual<br \/>\nexperience. Or, again, one may start a process of one kind or another for the<br \/>\npurpose which would normally mean a long labour and be seized, even at the<br \/>\noutset, by a rapid intervention or manifestation of the Silence with an effect<br \/>\nout of all proportion to the means used at the beginning. One commences with a<br \/>\nmethod, but the work is taken up by a Grace from above, from That to which one<br \/>\naspires or an irruption of the infinitudes of the Spirit. It was in this last<br \/>\nway that I myself came by the mind&#8217;s absolute silence, unimaginable to me before<br \/>\nI had its actual experience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>THE REAL DIFFICULTY<\/b><sup>1<\/sup><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">Sri<br \/>\nAurobindo has no remarks to make on Huxley&#8217;s comments with which he is in entire<br \/>\nagreement. But in the phrase &quot;to its heights we can always reach&quot;, very<br \/>\nobviously &quot;we&quot; does not refer to humanity in general but to those who have a<br \/>\nsufficiently developed inner spiritual life. It is probable that Sri Aurobindo<br \/>\nwas thinking of his own experience. After three years of spiritual effort with<br \/>\nonly minor results he was shown by a Yogi the way to silence his mind. This he<br \/>\nsucceeded in doing entirely in two or three days by following the method shown.<br \/>\nThere was an entire silence of thought and feeling and all the ordinary<br \/>\nmovements of consciousness except the perception and recognition of things<br \/>\naround without any accompanying concept or other reaction. The sense of ego<br \/>\ndisappeared and the movements of the ordinary<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-indent:24pt;line-height:150%'><sup><br \/>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%'>1<\/span><\/sup><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%'> These remarks were<br \/>\ndictated by Sri Aurobindo apropos of the phrase &quot;to its heights we can always<br \/>\nreach&quot; occurring in the following passage in <i>The Life Divine<\/i><br \/>\nquoted and commented upon by Aldous Huxley in his book. <i>The Perennial<br \/>\nPhilosophy<\/i> (Chatto and Windus, London, 1946), p. 74:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-indent:24pt;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:150%'>&quot;The touch of Earth is<br \/>\nalways reinvigorating to the son of Earth, even when he seeks a supraphysical<br \/>\nKnowledge. It may even be said that the supraphysical can only be really<br \/>\nmas\u00adtered in its fullness \u2014 to its heights we can always reach \u2014 when we keep<br \/>\nour feet firmly on the physical. &#8216;Earth is His footing,&#8217; says the Upanishad<br \/>\nwhenever it images the Self that manifests in the universe.&quot;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'>\n<i><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>The Life Divine<\/span><\/i><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'> (Centenary<br \/>\nEdition, 1972), Ch. II, p. 11<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\">&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211;<br \/>\n85<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">life as<br \/>\nwell as speech and action were carried on by some habitual activity of Prakriti<br \/>\nalone which was not felt as belonging to oneself. But the perception which<br \/>\nremained saw all things as utterly unreal; this sense of unreality was<br \/>\noverwhelming and universal. Only some undefinable Reality was perceived as true<br \/>\nwhich was beyond space and time and unconnected with any cosmic activity, but<br \/>\nyet was met wherever one turned. This condition remained unimpaired for several<br \/>\nmonths and even when the sense of unreality disappeared and there was a return<br \/>\nto participation in the world-consciousness, the inner peace and freedom which<br \/>\nresulted from this realisation remained permanently behind all surface movements<br \/>\nand the essence of the realisation itself was not lost. At the same time an<br \/>\nexperience intervened: something else than himself took up his dynamic activity<br \/>\nand spoke and acted through him but without any personal thought or initiative.<br \/>\nWhat this was remained unknown until Sri Aurobindo came to realise the dynamic<br \/>\nside of the Brahman, the Ishwara and felt himself moved by that in all his<br \/>\nSadhana and action. These realisations and others which followed upon them, such<br \/>\nas that of the Self in all and all in the Self and all as the Self, the Divine<br \/>\nin all and all in the Divine, are the heights to which Sri Aurobindo refers and<br \/>\nto which he says we can always rise; for they presented to him no long or<br \/>\nobstinate difficulty. The only real difficulty which took decades of spiritual<br \/>\neffort to work out towards completeness was to apply the spiritual knowledge<br \/>\nutterly to the world and to the surface psychological and outer life and to<br \/>\neffect its transformation both on the higher levels of Nature and on the<br \/>\nordinary mental, vital and physical levels down to the subconscience and the<br \/>\nbasic Inconscience and up to the supreme Truth-Consciousness or Supermind in<br \/>\nwhich alone the dynamic transformation could be entirely integral and absolute.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">4-11-1946<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nINTELLECTUAL STATEMENT<span> OF SPIRITUAL<\/span><br \/>\nEXPERIENCE<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I do not<br \/>\nthink, however, that the statement of supra-intellectual things necessarily<br \/>\ninvolves a making of distinctions in the terms of the intellect. For,<br \/>\nfundamentally, it is not an expression of<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 86<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">ideas<br \/>\narrived at by speculative thinking. One has to arrive at spiritual knowledge<br \/>\nthrough experience and a consciousness of things which arises directly out of<br \/>\nthat experience or else underlies or is involved in it. This kind of knowledge,<br \/>\nthen, is fun\u00addamentally a consciousness and not a thought or formulated idea.<br \/>\nFor instance, my first major experience \u2014 radical and overwhelming, though not,<br \/>\nas it turned out, final and exhaustive \u2014 came after and by the exclusion and<br \/>\nsilencing of all thought \u2014 there was, first, what might be called a spiritually<br \/>\nsubstantial or concrete consciousness of stillness and silence, then the<br \/>\nawareness of some sole and supreme Reality in whose presence things existed only<br \/>\nas forms but forms not at all substantial or real or concrete; but this was all<br \/>\napparent to a spiritual perception and essential and impersonal sense and there<br \/>\nwas not the least concept or idea of reality or unreality or any other notion,<br \/>\nfor all concept or idea was hushed or rather entirely absent in the absolute<br \/>\nstillness. These things were known directly through the pure consciousness and<br \/>\nnot through the mind, so there was no need of concepts or words or names. At the<br \/>\nsame time this fundamental character of spiritual experience is not absolutely<br \/>\nlimitative; it can do without thought, but it can do with thought also. Of<br \/>\ncourse, the first idea of the mind would be that the resort to thought brings<br \/>\none back at once to the domain of the intellect \u2014 and at first and for a long<br \/>\ntime it may be so; but it is not my experience that this is unavoidable. It<br \/>\nhappens so when one tries to make an intellectual statement of what one has<br \/>\nexperienced; but there is another kind of thought that springs out as if it were<br \/>\na body or form of the experience or of the consciousness involved in it \u2014 or of<br \/>\na part of that consciousness \u2014 and this does not seem to me to be intellectual<br \/>\nin its character. It has another light, another power in it, a sense within the<br \/>\nsense. It is very clearly so with those thoughts that come without the need of<br \/>\nwords to embody them, thoughts that are of the nature of a direct seeing in the<br \/>\nconsciousness, even a kind of intimate sense or contact formulating itself into<br \/>\na precise expression of its awareness (I hope this is not too mystic or<br \/>\nunintelligible); but it might be said that directly the thoughts turn into words<br \/>\nthey belong to the kingdom of intellect \u2014 for words are a coinage of the<br \/>\nintellect. But<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 87<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">is it so<br \/>\nreally or inevitably ? It has always seemed to me that words came originally<br \/>\nfrom somewhere else than the thinking mind, although the thinking mind secured<br \/>\nhold of them, turned them to its use and coined them freely for its purposes.<br \/>\nBut even otherwise, is it not possible to use words for the expression of<br \/>\nsomething that is not intellectual? Housman contends that poetry is perfectly<br \/>\npoetical only when it is non-intellectual, when it is nonsense. That is too<br \/>\nparadoxical, but I suppose what he means is that if it is put to the strict test<br \/>\nof the intellect, it appears extravagant because it conveys something that<br \/>\nexpresses and is real to some other kind of seeing than that which intellectual<br \/>\nthought brings to us. Is it not possible that words may spring from, that<br \/>\nlanguage may be used to express \u2014 at least up to a certain point and in a<br \/>\ncertain way \u2014 the supra-intellectual consciousness which is the essential power<br \/>\nof spiritual experience ? This, however, is by the way \u2014 when one tries to<br \/>\nexplain spiritual experience to the intellect itself, then it is a different<br \/>\nmatter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">14-1-1934<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">SILENCE AND ACTION<\/span><\/b><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='color:blue'><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">Since<br \/>\n1908 when I got the silence, I never think with my head or brain\u2014it is always in<br \/>\nthe wideness generally above the head that the thoughts occur.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">17-10-1933<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">What you<br \/>\ndescribe is not at all a drawing away of life-energy; <span>&nbsp;<\/span>it is simply the effect of voidness and<br \/>\nstillness caused in the lower parts by the consciousness being located above. It<br \/>\nis quite consistent with action, only one must get accustomed to the idea of the<br \/>\npossibility of action under these conditions. In a greater state of emptiness I<br \/>\ncarried on a daily newspaper and made a dozen speeches in the course of three or<br \/>\nfour days \u2014 but I did not manage that in any way; it happened. The force made<br \/>\nthe body do the work without any inner activity. The drawing away of the<br \/>\nlife-energy leaves the body lifeless, helpless, empty and impotent,&nbsp;<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:108%'>Page &#8211; 88<\/span><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">but it is<br \/>\nattended by no experience except a great suffering.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">13-5-1936<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">It ought<br \/>\nto be possible to read with the inner consciousness looking on and, as it were,<br \/>\nseeing at the act of reading. In the condition of absolute inner silence I was<br \/>\nmaking speeches and conducting a newspaper, but all that got itself done without<br \/>\nany thought entering my mind or the silence being in the least disturbed or<br \/>\ndiminished.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">27-10-1934<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">When I<br \/>\ngot the emptiness, it lasted for years. Whatever else came, came in the<br \/>\nemptiness, and I could at any time withdraw from the activity into the pure<br \/>\nsilent peace.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">21-9-1934<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">SELF-REALISATION<span> AND<\/span> SENSE OF THE BODY<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><b><i><span lang=\"EN-US\">Q:<\/span><\/i><\/b><i><span lang=\"EN-US\"> During the state of self-realisation<br \/>\nvery little sense remains of my body. I do not know what it does or holds or<br \/>\neven where it lies.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"left\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\"><b>A<\/b>: That is usual. I was in that way unconscious of the<br \/>\nbody for many years.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"left\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">10-1934<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<b><span lang=\"EN-US\">YOGIC<br \/>\nEXPERIENCE AND SCIENTIFIC OBJECTIONS<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">Your<br \/>\nbells etc., mentioned by you as recent experiences were already enumerated as<br \/>\nlong ago as the time of the Upanishads as signs accompanying the opening to the<br \/>\nlarger consciousness, <i>brahman&#803;yabhivyaktikar&#257;n&#803;i yoge.<\/i><b> <\/b><span><br \/>\nIf I<\/span> remember right your sparks come in the same list. The fact has been<br \/>\nrecorded again and again in Yogic literature. I had the same experience hundreds <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:108%'>Page &#8211; 89<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">of times<br \/>\nin the earlier part of my Sadhana. So you see you are in very honourable company<br \/>\nin this matter and need not trouble yourself about the objections of physical<br \/>\nscience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">13-3-1931<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I<br \/>\nremember when I first began to see inwardly (and outwardly also with the open<br \/>\neye), a scientific friend of mine began to talk of after-images \u2014 &quot;these are<br \/>\nonly after-images&quot;! I asked him whether after-images remained before the eye for<br \/>\ntwo minutes at a time \u2014 he said, &quot;no&quot;, to his knowledge only for a few seconds;<br \/>\nI also asked him whether one could get after-images of things not around one or<br \/>\neven not existing upon this earth, since they had other shapes, another<br \/>\ncharacter, other hues, contours and a very different dynamism, life-movements<br \/>\nand values \u2014 he could not reply in the affirmative. That is how these so-called<br \/>\nscientific explanations break down as soon as you pull them out of their<br \/>\ncloudland of mental theory and face them with the actual phenomena they pretend<br \/>\nto decipher.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">19-2-1932<\/font><\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%;text-align:center'>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\">I suppose<br \/>\nI have had myself an even more completely European education than you, and I<br \/>\nhave had too my period of agnostic denial, but from the moment I looked at these<br \/>\nthings I could never take the attitude of doubt and disbelief which was for so<br \/>\nlong fashionable in Europe. Abnormal, otherwise supraphysical experiences and<br \/>\npowers, occult or Yogic, have always seemed to me something perfectly natural<br \/>\nand credible. Consciousness in its very nature could not be limited by the<br \/>\nordinary physical human-animal consciousness, it must have the other ranges.<br \/>\nYogic or occult powers are no more supernatural or incredible than is<br \/>\nsupernatural or incredible the power to write a great poem or compose great<br \/>\nmusic; few people can do it, as things are, \u2014 not even one in a million; for<br \/>\npoetry and music come from the inner being and to write or to compose true and<br \/>\ngreat things one has to have the passage clear between the outer mind and<br \/>\nsome\u00adthing in the inner being. That is why you got the poetic power as<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 90<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">soon as<br \/>\nyou began Yoga, \u2014 Yogic force made the passage clear. It is the same with Yogic<br \/>\nconsciousness and its powers; the thing is to get the passage clear, \u2014 for they<br \/>\nare already within you. Of course, the first thing is to believe, aspire and,<br \/>\nwith the true urge within, make the endeavour<\/span><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:14.0pt'>. <b><\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><b><span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:14.0pt'>&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">You ask<br \/>\nme whether you have to give up your predilection for testing before accepting<br \/>\nand to accept everything in Yoga <i>a priori \u2014<\/i><span> <\/span><br \/>\nand by testing you mean testing by the ordinary reason. The only answer I can<br \/>\ngive to that is that the experiences of Yoga belong to an inner domain and go<br \/>\naccording to a law of their own, have their own method of perception, criteria<br \/>\nand all the rest of it which are neither those of the domain of the physical<br \/>\nsenses nor of the domain of rational or scientific enquiry. Just as scientific<br \/>\nenquiry passes beyond that of the physical senses and enters the domain of the<br \/>\ninfinite and infinitesimal about which the senses can say nothing and test<br \/>\nnothing \u2014 for one cannot see and touch an electron or know by the evidence of<br \/>\nthe sense-mind whether it exists or not or decide by that evidence whether the<br \/>\nearth really turns round the sun and not rather the sun round the earth as our<br \/>\nsenses and all our physical experience daily tell us \u2014 so the spiritual search<br \/>\npasses beyond the domain of scientific or rational enquiry and it is impossible<br \/>\nby the aid of the ordinary positive reason to test the data of spiritual<br \/>\nexperience and decide whether those things exist or not or what is their law and<br \/>\nnature. As in Science, so here you have to accumulate experience on experience,<br \/>\nfollowing faithfully the methods laid down by the Guru or by the systems of the<br \/>\npast, you have to develop an intuitive discrimination which compares the<br \/>\nexperiences, see what they mean, how far and in what field each is valid, what<br \/>\nis the place of each in the whole, how it can be reconciled or related with<br \/>\nothers that at first might seem to contradict it, etc., etc., until you can move<br \/>\nwith a secure knowledge in the vast field of spiritual phenomena. That is the<br \/>\nonly way to test spiritual experience. I have myself tried the other method and<br \/>\nI have found it absolutely incapable and inapplicable. On the<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 91<\/span><b><\/b><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"line-height: 150%;margin: 0\"><span lang=\"EN-US\">other<br \/>\nhand, if you are not prepared to go through all that yourself, \u2014 as few can do<br \/>\nexcept those of extraordinary spiritual stature,\u2014 you have to accept the leading<br \/>\nof a Master, as in Science you accept a teacher instead of going through the<br \/>\nwhole field of Science and its experimentation all by yourself \u2014 at least until<br \/>\nyou have accumulated sufficient experience and knowledge. If that is accepting<br \/>\nthings <i>a priori,<\/i><br \/>\nwell, you have to accept <i>a priori.<\/i> For I am unable to see by what valid<br \/>\ntests you propose to make the ordinary reason the judge of what is beyond it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style='margin:0;text-indent:24pt;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><br \/>\nYou quote the sayings of X and Y. I would like to know before assigning a value<br \/>\nto these utterances what they actually did for the testing of their spiritual<br \/>\nperceptions and experiences. How did X test the value of his spiritual<br \/>\nexperiences \u2014 some of them not easily credible to the ordinary positive mind any<br \/>\nmore than the miracles attributed to some famous Yogis? I know nothing about Y,<br \/>\nbut what were his tests and how did he apply them? What were his methods? his<br \/>\ncriteria? It seems to me that no ordinary mind will accept the apparition of<br \/>\nBuddha out of a wall or the half hour&#8217;s talk with Hayagriva as valid facts by<br \/>\nany kind of testing. It would either have to accept them <i>a priori<\/i> or on<br \/>\nthe sole evidence of X, which comes to the same thing, or to reject them <i>a<br \/>\npriori<\/i> as hallucinations or mere mental images accompanied in one case by an<br \/>\nauditive hallucination. I fail to see how it could &quot;test&quot; them. Or how was I to<br \/>\ntest by the ordinary mind my experience of Nirvana ? To what conclusion could I<br \/>\ncome about it by the aid of the ordinary positive reason ? How could I test its<br \/>\nvalidity ? I am at a loss to imagine. I did the only thing I could \u2014 to accept<br \/>\nit as a strong and valid truth of experience, let it have its full play and<br \/>\nproduce its full experiential consequences until I had sufficient Yogic<br \/>\nknowledge to put it in its place. Finally, how without inner knowledge or<br \/>\nexperience can you or anyone else test the inner knowledge and experience of<br \/>\nothers?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"right\" style='margin:0;text-align:right;line-height:150%'><span lang=\"EN-US\"><font size=\"2\">18-11-1934<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" align=\"center\" style='margin:0;text-align:center;line-height:150%'>\n<span lang=\"EN-US\" style='font-size:10.0pt'>Page &#8211; 92<\/span><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>section TWO BEGINNINGS OF YOGA &nbsp; AN EARLY EXPERIENCE &nbsp; Q: X says that it is written somewhere that you had a realisation in 1890&#8230;.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-522","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-26-on-himself-volume-26","wpcat-11-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/522","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=522"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/522\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=522"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=522"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=522"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}