{"id":5617,"date":"2013-07-13T02:03:15","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:03:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=5617"},"modified":"2013-07-13T02:03:15","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:03:15","slug":"104-november-29-1967-vol-08-volume-08","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/03-agenda\/08-volume-08\/104-november-29-1967-vol-08-volume-08","title":{"rendered":"-104__November 29_1967.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><H3>November 29, 1967<\/H3><br \/>\n<P>Well, read me this letter.<\/p>\n<p><i>&#8220;Sweet Mother, in the Bulletin you said, &#8216;Psychic memories<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;&#8230; are unforgettable moments of life when the conscious<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>ness is intense, luminous, strong, active, powerful, and<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;sometimes also turning points in your life which gave it a  <\/i>\n  <\/p>\n<p><i>new orientation. But never will you be able to describe<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;the dress you wore or the gentleman with whom you  <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>spoke or the neighbors or the kind of field you were in.&#8217;  <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>(Questions and Answers of May 6, 1953) And regarding<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;the memory of small details, you said, &#8216;It&#8217;s perfectly silly.&#8217;<\/i>\n  <\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 392<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>\n<br \/><i>&quot;But then how is it that one often enough reads in<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;newspapers the story of little children who remember<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;their past life?&#8230;&quot;<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P>That&#8217;s not a psychic memory. They always confuse things so dreadfully!<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s not psychic, it&#8217;s when the vital, through some special circumstance, goes from one body to another, then it still remembers. That&#8217;s generally when it comes back in the same family, or in neighbors.<br \/>\n<P>Is that all he writes?<\/p>\n<p><i>&quot;&#8230; How is it that newspapers tell often enough the story <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>of little children who remember their past life, and that <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>details were confirmed? Since the study of such occur<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>rences is what leads parapsychologists to note the exis<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>tence of reincarnation, they are therefore not on a wholly<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;wrong track, are they? And how can one give another<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;kind of scientific proof of reincarnation?&quot;<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P>How arrogant the mind is! Instead of simply saying, &#8220;There is something here that I don&#8217;t understand&#8221; and asking for an explanation, oh, instantly it rears its head.<br \/>\n<P>What&#8217;s the name of this young nincompoop?&#8230; I&#8217;ll send him this <i>(Mother writes):<\/i><br \/>\n<P>&#8220;The memories you are referring to, those mentioned<P>&nbsp;in the<br \/>\nnewspapers, are the memories of the vital being,<P>&nbsp;when exceptionally it<br \/>\nhas come out of a body in order to<P>&nbsp;enter another. That happens, though<br \/>\nnot frequently. The<br \/>\n<P>memories I am referring to are those of the psychic<P>&nbsp;being, and one is<br \/>\nconscious of them only when one is in<P>&nbsp;conscious relationship with one&#8217;s<br \/>\npsychic being. There<P>&nbsp;is no contradiction between the two things.&quot;<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\">***<br \/>\n<P><i>Mother turns to the<\/i><P><i>&nbsp;darshan of November 24<\/i><br \/>\n<P>I have new photos of the darshan day. Photos taken with a telephoto lens, would you like to see them? <i>(Mother goes to get the photos)<\/i><br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 393<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>S. has a new telescopic camera, and instead of taking a photo of the whole view at the balcony, she took only my face. Two of them I find very good&#8230;. They&#8217;re not enlarged, they&#8217;re just as they were taken <i>(Mother shows Satprem the photos).<\/i><br \/>\n<P>I don&#8217;t know, at each darshan I feel as if I am a different person, and when I see myself like this, objectively, indeed I see a different person every time. Sometimes an old Chinese! Other times a sort of transposition of Sri Aurobindo, a veiled Sri Aurobindo; and yet other times, a person I am very familiar with, but not the present one: a person I was just ONCE. That has happened several times.<\/p>\n<p><i>But here too, I get an impression of &#8230; It&#8217;s very different from<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;you<br \/>\n  as you are usually.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P>Isn&#8217;t it!<\/p>\n<p><i>And I feel it&#8217;s something I know.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes, exactly. My impression is just the same. I look at this and say, &#8220;I know this person very well&#8221; &#8211; but it has nothing to do with this body.<\/p>\n<p><i>But it&#8217;s something I know!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes, it&#8217;s very well known, yet it&#8217;s not this <i>(Mother points to her<\/i><P> <i>&nbsp;body); <\/i>it&#8217;s not from here, yet it&#8217;s very well known.<\/p>\n<p><i>It reminds me of a painter, I don&#8217;t know why.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>One doesn&#8217;t quite know whether it&#8217;s a woman or a man, one isn&#8217;t sure.<br \/>\n<P>I wondered if it wasn&#8217;t a being living in another world than the physical world of the earth? Because it&#8217;s &#8230; I know this, but not with the intimacy of the body&#8217;s sensation. It&#8217;s clearly someone I know very well and have seen often.<\/p>\n<p><i>I get an impression of someone I have seen before.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Oh, yes. But I don&#8217;t know if you saw it in this world.<\/p>\n<p><i>I have a painting or a painter in mind, I don&#8217;t know why.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 394<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>Which of the two is more familiar to you?<\/p>\n<p><i>This one, N\u00a1 14.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes, that&#8217;s right. And are you sure it&#8217;s a woman?<\/p>\n<p><i>I&#8217;m not sure, either.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>You&#8217;re not.<\/p>\n<p><i>But I don&#8217;t know why, I get the idea of a painter or a painting.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>A painter? &#8230; Leonardo da Vinci? <i>(Laughing) <\/i>But he had a beard!<br \/>\n<P><i>(To Sujata:) <\/i>Do you know this person?<\/p>\n<p><i>It&#8217;s not the same Mother!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>It isn&#8217;t <i>(Mother takes one photo, then the other): <\/i>this and this are two different persons.<br \/>\n<P>But strangely, I know this very well, especially this part <i>(Mother points to the part of the photo between the eyebrows and the lips), <\/i>and something about the gaze.<br \/>\n<P>It might be a painting, perhaps you&#8217;re right. But which one, I don&#8217;t see.<br \/>\n<P>Someone very familiar to me, but &#8230; If I were told it&#8217;s a historical personality, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.<br \/>\n<P>This one [N\u00a1 14] especially.<br \/>\n<P>Strange. And it&#8217;s becoming more and more like that. As the body catches hold of the inner rhythm, it [the manifestation of other beings through Mother&#8217;s body] keeps increasing.<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s probably not physical.<\/p>\n<p><i>(Sujata:) Somewhat Chinese!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>What is it? One day we&#8217;ll know&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p><i>It&#8217;s quite familiar.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes. But my impression is like this: someone I knew very intimately, with<br \/>\nwhom I perhaps lived &#8211; but not &quot;me,&quot; you understand. That is, it&#8217;s the body that<br \/>\nsays, &quot;Not me.&quot; Inwardly, it&#8217;s quite<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 397<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>different: there is no me-and-you, none of that exists; but the body still<br \/>\nhas it and says, &quot;It&#8217;s not me, it&#8217;s someone I know very well, very closely, but<br \/>\nnot me.&quot;<\/p>\n<p><i>Why does it come like that at the balcony?<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>It may be two things. It may be that the original consciousness split into two in a past existence (it has happened several times) and manifested in two different bodies at the same time; and so naturally, there was an intimacy and probably a familiarity in life &#8211; it may be something physical. But it may also be someone existing permanently, a permanent form somewhere, with whom we are in constant contact in that world (the overmental or supramental world, or elsewhere), and the feeling &#8220;Oh, I know this&#8221; springs from within. It may be either of those two things &#8211; I don&#8217;t know which as yet.<br \/>\n<P><i>(After a silence) <\/i>It&#8217;s more an expression, a type of vibration, an atmosphere than exact features. So it might rather be this: someone existing permanently somewhere with whom we are in contact.<br \/>\n<P>That would explain the sensation that we don&#8217;t know whether it&#8217;s a man or a woman: it must be from a sexless world, a world where there is neither man nor woman.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>The body itself has more than an impression, it&#8217;s &#8230; a sort of knowledge &#8211; more than a knowledge, it&#8217;s, well, a fact: there are lots and lots of beings, forces, personalities that manifest through it, at times even several at once. That&#8217;s a very common experience. For instance, the experience that Sri Aurobindo is here, speaks and sees, with his own way of seeing <i>(piercing and ironic gesture) <\/i>and his way of expressing himself &#8211; that happens very often. Often too, it&#8217;s Durga, or Mahakali, or &#8230; very often. Often, what manifests is a being from very high up, very permanent &#8211; very permanent &#8211; and then there comes into the being a sort of absoluteness. At times, it&#8217;s beings from a nearby plane trying to make themselves felt, to express themselves, but that&#8217;s under control.<br \/>\n<P>The body is used to it, you understand.<br \/>\n<P>But the strange thing was that this time, on the 24th, when I went to the balcony, it was someone &#8230; (and that happens to me now and then, more and more frequently) someone looking on from a sort of plane of eternity, with, mingled in it, a great benevolence (something like benevolence, I don&#8217;t know how to express it), but<P align=\"center\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">Page 398<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>&nbsp;with an absolute calm, almost indifference, and the two are together looking on like that <i>(Mother draws waves far away below), <\/i>as though it were seen from far away, far above, far &#8230; (how should I put it?) seen from such an eternal vision. That was what my body felt when I went out for the balcony. So the body said, &#8220;But I have to aspire, there must be an aspiration for the Force to descend on all these people!&#8221; And &#8220;That&#8221; was like that <i>(sovereign gesture above), <\/i>oh, so benevolent, but with a sort of indifference &#8211; the indifference of eternity, I don&#8217;t know how to explain it. And the body feels it all as something making use of it.<br \/>\n<P>That&#8217;s why I find these photos interesting, it&#8217;s to objectify the<br \/>\n<P>We&#8217;ll know.<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 399<\/font><P><br \/>\n<H3 align=\"center\"><i>December <\/i><\/H3><\/p>\n<p><\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom: 0\" align=\"right\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>November 29, 1967 Well, read me this letter. &#8220;Sweet Mother, in the Bulletin you said, &#8216;Psychic memories &nbsp;&#8230; are unforgettable moments of life when the&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[139],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5617","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-08-volume-08","wpcat-139-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5617","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5617"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5617\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5617"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5617"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5617"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}