{"id":5650,"date":"2013-07-13T02:03:26","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:03:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=5650"},"modified":"2013-07-13T02:03:26","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:03:26","slug":"063-may-27-1972-vol-13-volume-13","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/03-agenda\/13-volume-13\/063-may-27-1972-vol-13-volume-13","title":{"rendered":"-063_May 27_1972.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><H3>May 27, 1972<\/H3><br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><i>(Mother is late)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>There&#8217;s a concrete proof (not always convenient) that supramental time is not the same as physical time&#8230;. Sometimes, a few seconds seem, oh, endless, while at other times several hours go by in an instant. And concretely so. The result: I am late, I am always late.<br \/>\n<P>But what can I do? I don&#8217;t know.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>The consciousness is really changing &#8211; not the deeper consciousness (which is becoming clearer and clearer), but the consciousness we might call &quot;practical&quot; is in the process of changing in quite a striking way.<br \/>\n<P>I&#8217;ll be eating, and suddenly everything present vanishes, and long afterwards, I realize I am like this <i>(gesture, one hand suspended in midair), <\/i>with a spoon in my hand! &#8230; Not very practical! <i>(Laughter)<\/i><br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 190<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><i>But during that time, when you suddenly go off &#8230;<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Oh, it&#8217;s quite interesting! But I don&#8217;t &quot;go off,&quot; you see&#8230;. I am not at all in a trance, not at all: I am wide awake and FULLY active. I see things, I do things, I hear people, I &#8230; the whole time. But I forget &#8211; I simply forget about material life. Then someone comes and abruptly calls me back.<br \/>\n<P>I don&#8217;t go out of material life, but &#8230; it appears different.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>Nothing to ask?<\/p>\n<p><i>No, Mother.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Or to say?<\/p>\n<p><i>No, Mother, not really&#8230;. I am in the course of revising the<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;&quot;Sannyasin,&quot;<br \/>\n  the book I wrote a few years ago, and I must say <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>that all those experiences from above just seem so pale <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>now&#8230;.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P>Ahh!<\/p>\n<p><i>Almost like a dream &#8230;<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes.<\/p>\n<p><i>&#8230; compared to what there is now.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>So true!<br \/>\n<P>I really think the physical world is changing. People will probably notice it only in a few hundred years, because it takes a long time for it to become visible to the ordinary consciousness. But the touch <i>(Mother feels the air between her fingers), <\/i>feels &#8230; as if a different texture.<br \/>\n<P>From time to time, something tells me, &quot;Don&#8217;t talk, don&#8217;t talk!&quot; I have to keep quiet otherwise people around me would think I am becoming deranged.<\/p>\n<p><i>!!!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P align=\"right\"><i>(long silence)<\/i><P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 191<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><i>You say it isn&#8217;t the way you see the physical world that&#8217;s<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;changing<br \/>\n  but the very quality of matter?<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P>Yes, yes, it&#8217;s not at all my own way of seeing &#8211; not at all&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know&#8230;. But it&#8217;s odd.<br \/>\n<P>You see, I have at the same time (to speak in the old way), at the same time the CONCRETE experience of a tre-men-dous Power and of total impotence.<br \/>\n<P>The old methods, the methods that even yesterday were effective and powerful, all seem nonexistent. Yet, side by side, when that Force comes, I concretely feel (and I have proof, a factual proof) that a simple expression of will, or even a simple vision of something is &#8230;<i> (Mother lowers her hands) <\/i>all-powerful. Materially so. Some people on their deathbeds are returned to life; some healthy people, brrt, suddenly pass away &#8211; to that extent, you know. Circumstances that seemed inextricable find marvelous solutions &#8211; people themselves say it&#8217;s miraculous. It&#8217;s not miraculous to me, it&#8217;s very simple: just like this <i>(Mother lowers a finger). <\/i>But it&#8217;s INDISPUTABLE. Indisputable and new in the world. No longer the old method, no longer a mental concentration or a mental vision, none of that <i>(Mother lowers a finger): <\/i>a fact.<br \/>\n<P>A fact.<br \/>\n<P>I am myself still too much tied to &#8230; [people&#8217;s thoughts]. Thank God <i>(Mother sweeps her hand across her forehead), <\/i>the mind is gone! Ah, you know, I am &#8230; what an extraordinary blessing it is! But from the ordinary external standpoint, I seem to have become an utter imbecile.<\/p>\n<p><i>!!!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>It&#8217;s good that I have someone like you near me who knows there&#8217;s something else [than what they think].<\/p>\n<p><i>Oh, indeed! [laughing] Indeed, there&#8217;s &quot;something else&quot;!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>And I feel such a force, you know&#8230;. When I rest, I don&#8217;t sleep, I consciously enter that supramental activity, and&#8230;. Oh, mon petit! &#8230; I see myself doing things with such a fabulous power! And there&#8217;s no longer any &#8230; you see, when I speak, I am forced to use &quot;I,&quot; but it corresponds to nothing, it&#8217;s &#8230; it&#8217;s the Consciousness, it&#8217;s a consciousness. A consciousness that knows and has power. Yes, a CONSCIOUSNESS; not a person but a consciousness &#8211;<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 192<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>a consciousness that knows and acts. And which uses this <i>(Mother points to her body) <\/i>to keep a contact with people.<br \/>\n<P>Yes, that&#8217;s it, it&#8217;s not a person anymore &#8211; sometimes, you know <i>(laughing), <\/i>I feel like a puppet <i>(gesture of dangling at the end of a string) <\/i>whose purpose is to enable contact with people. But the physical strength is like this <i>(wobbly gesture)&#8230;. <\/i>I feel very strong &#8211; very strong, and almost nonexistent. Both extremes together, you understand&#8230;. I must really look stupid.<br \/>\n<P>But there <i>(Mother stretches her arms upwards, then slowly extends them as if to embrace the universe), <\/i>it&#8217;s luminous, it&#8217;s clear, it&#8217;s strong, it&#8217;s wide&#8230;. Physically, too. It is PHYSICAL, that&#8217;s what is amazing! Before, I used to withdraw into an inner state of being (I know them all, I&#8217;ve experienced them, I&#8217;ve had a conscious life), but all that, all that is &#8230; finished. Completely finished&#8230;. <i>(Smiling) <\/i>As if the physical world were becoming double. [[&quot;He discovered the two worlds, eternal and in one nest.&quot; (<i>Rig Veda,<\/i> I.62.7) ]]<br \/>\n<P>Naturally, to the ordinary eye, I am still an old woman sitting in a chair and unable to move freely. Although at times, I suddenly feel that if I stood up, I could walk perfectly well&#8230;. But something tells me, &quot;Patience, patience, patience &#8230;&quot; So I wait.<br \/>\n<P>And there&#8217;s a persistent idea <i>(hammering gesture) <\/i>that if I can reach, if my body can reach one hundred, it will become young again. It&#8217;s very persistent, but doesn&#8217;t come from me, it&#8217;s like this <i>(hammering gesture from above), so <\/i>that I remain patient (although I am not impatient). Patience.<br \/>\n<P>From now to one hundred is six years?<\/p>\n<p><i>Yes, six years, Mother, it&#8217;s not much.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>But the body&#8217;s capacities will change BEFORE its appearance changes &#8211; the appearance changes LAST; and I don&#8217;t know, that never enters the picture.<br \/>\n<P>What really matters is how the Consciousness can use this. It&#8217;s not that I will become young again, it&#8217;s not &quot;young,&quot; it&#8217;s another type of capacity that will emerge and use this body. Will it transform it? Or will it use it for another purpose? That I don&#8217;t know&#8230;. I don&#8217;t know. Strangely enough, only when you are here do I speak or think about these things, as if it were necessary for someone to know &#8211; otherwise, I never think about these things <i>(gesture of hands open). <\/i>[193]<br \/>\n<P>Sometimes I spend hours in contemplation doing a very, very<P align=\"center\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">Page 193<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>&nbsp;active work. Sometimes there are a few minutes &#8230; a few minutes of<br \/>\nsilence and contemplation &#8230; that last hours. And they seem like a few minutes.<br \/>\nThat&#8217;s how it is.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>And you?<\/p>\n<p><i>I&#8217;m all right, Mother.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Oh, mon petit &#8230; <i>(Mother takes Satprem&#8217;s hands).<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>You overwhelm me.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Something &#8230; <i>(Mother leans towards Satprem) <\/i>something in me takes you in my arms and embraces you very, very tenderly.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(contemplation)<\/i><br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 194<\/font><\/p>\n<p><\/b><\/p>\n<p align=\"right\" style=\"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom: 0\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>May 27, 1972 (Mother is late) There&#8217;s a concrete proof (not always convenient) that supramental time is not the same as physical time&#8230;. 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