{"id":6328,"date":"2013-07-13T02:07:05","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:07:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=6328"},"modified":"2013-07-13T02:07:05","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:07:05","slug":"64-september-25-1963-vol-04-volume-04","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/03-agenda\/04-volume-04\/64-september-25-1963-vol-04-volume-04","title":{"rendered":"-64_September 25_1963.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><H3>September 25, 1963<\/H3><br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><i>(Mother first reads her notation of a recent experience)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>It came in English. (I want to put it in the <i>Bulletin <\/i>to fill a gap!) We should put it in French, too.<br \/>\n<P><i>Love is <\/i>&#8230; (no need to say that it&#8217;s the condensation of an experience &#8211; an experience I leave unsaid).<br \/>\n<P>Love is not sexual intercourse. Love is not vital attraction and interchange. Love is not the heart&#8217;s hunger for affection. Love is a mighty vibration coming straight from the One. And only the very pure and very strong are capable of receiving and manifesting it.<br \/>\n<P>Then an explanation on what I mean by &#8220;pure,&#8221; <i>the very pure and very strong:<\/i><br \/>\n<P>To be pure is to be open only to the Supreme&#8217;s influence, and to no other.<br \/>\n<P>Far more difficult than what people consider purity to be! Which is something quite artificial and false.<br \/>\n<P>The last sentence I wrote in French, too (the two came together):<br \/>\n<P>\u00catre pur, c&#8217;est \u00eatre ouvert seulement \u00e0 l&#8217;influence du Supr\u00eame et \u00e0 nulle autre.<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s simple and definite.<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 319<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>Now we should translate the rest into French &#8211; I have so many papers that I am lost! <i>(Mother rummages among a heap of scraps of paper)<\/i> I am snowed under with papers!<br \/>\n<P>At first I put, <i>L&#8217;Amour n&#8217;a rien \u00e0 voir avec .<\/i>.. [Love has nothing to do with &#8230; ], and so on, but that&#8217;s not true. So we&#8217;ll put, <i>L&#8217;Amour n&#8217;est pas &#8230;<\/i> [Love is not &#8230;].<br \/>\n<P>L&#8217;Amour n&#8217;est pas les relations sexuelles. L&#8217;Amour n&#8217;est pas les attractions et les echanges vitaux. L&#8217;Amour n&#8217;est pas le besoin d&#8217;affection du c\u00cfur &#8230;<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s from <i>Savitri, <\/i>in &#8220;The Debate of Love and Death,&#8221; when Death tells Savitri, &#8220;What you call love is the hunger of your heart.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><i>Could we translate: &#8220;L&#8217;Amour n&#8217;est pas le c\u00cfur et son besoin d&#8217;affection&#8221; [Love is not the heart and its hunger for affection]?<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>But the heart can manifest Love! No: <i>L&#8217;Amour n&#8217;est pas le besoin d&#8217;affection du c\u00cfur <\/i>[Love is not the heart&#8217;s hunger for affection]. And then, the positive side:<br \/>\n<P>L&#8217;Amour est une vibration toute-puissante eman\u00e9e directement de l&#8217;Un. Et seul, le tr\u00e8s pur et le tr\u00e8s fort est capable de la recevoir et de la manifester.<br \/>\n<P>I have a whole stack of notes! <i>(Mother shows her successive drafts of the translation)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>The thing is new to me. That&#8217;s what I told you the other day: first an experience, but an experience &#8230; something that takes HOLD of the entire being, the entire body, everything, everything, like this <i>(grasping gesture) <\/i>and keeps you in its hold. And it works. It works everywhere in the cells: absolutely everywhere, in the consciousness, in the sensation, in the cells. Then it settles, as if passing through a very fine sieve, and it falls back to the other side &#8211; as words. But not always arranged in sentences (it&#8217;s very odd): two words here, three words there <i>(Mother seems to show patches of color here and there). <\/i><br \/>\nThen I keep very still, I don&#8217;t stir &#8211; above all I don&#8217;t think, don&#8217;t stir &#8211;<br \/>\nsilence. Then, little by little, the words start a dance, and when they form a<br \/>\nreasonably coherent sentence, I write it down. But generally it isn&#8217;t final. If<br \/>\nI wait a little<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 320<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>&nbsp;longer (even while doing something else), after a time it comes: a<br \/>\nsentence that has a far more logical and striking existence. And if I wait still<br \/>\nlonger, it becomes more precise, until finally it comes with a feeling, &quot;Now<br \/>\nthis is it.&quot; That&#8217;s what happened with the English note: &quot;Now this is it.&quot; Good,<br \/>\nso I write it down.<br \/>\n<P>I never had that before. Everything had to fall silent (I mean even the most active and material outer mind), I had to get into the habit, when my experience comes, of not stirring &#8211; not stirring, nothing stirring, everything like this <i>(gesture in suspense), <\/i>waiting.<br \/>\n<P>Even visually, it almost looks like a fine rain of white light, and after a time, that fine rain seems to make the words grow, as if it were watering the words! And the words come. Then they start a sort of dance, a quadrille, and when the quadrille has taken a clear shape, then the sentence becomes clear.<br \/>\n<P>Very amusing.<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s already the third time that&#8217;s happened &#8211; brand new.<br \/>\n<P>So when I note it all down, the result is all sorts of papers! <i>(Mother shows the stack of drafts)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>And now, with that new process, the papers will go on multiplying! Because it comes the way I told you [in successive bits]. But it has an advantage: the mind stays absolutely silent &#8211; the mind need not do anything, it&#8217;s as if someone came to look for the words in a storehouse and made all the arrangements. And that someone is impersonal: an impersonal consciousness. Almost &#8220;the consciousness of what wants to be expressed,&#8221; the consciousness of a revelation or an instruction, or the consciousness of a will, but not of a person. That someone collects the words and puts them together, then there is a dance &#8230; like a dance of electrons!<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>The other day, the process was less complete, but it was something similar, a first hint: K. had sent me an article he wanted to publish somewhere with quotations from Sri Aurobindo and myself, and he wanted to make sure it was correct and he hadn&#8217;t muddled it (!) In one place, I saw a comment by him (you know how people delight in wordplays when they are fully in the mind: the mind loves to play with words and contrast one sentence with another), it was in English, I am not quoting word for word, but he said that &#8220;the age of religions was the age of the gods&#8221;; and, naturally, as our Mr. Mind loves to play with words, it made him say that, now, the age of the gods is over and it is &#8220;the age of<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 321<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>God&#8221; &#8211; which means he was deplorably falling back into the Christian religion &#8230; without noticing it! And just as I saw his written sentence, I saw that tendency of the mind which loves it and finds it very &#8230; oh, charming, such a nice turn of phrase (!) I didn&#8217;t say anything, I went on to the end of his article. Then where that sentence was I saw a little light shining: it was like a little spark (I saw that with my eyes open). I looked at my spark, and in the place of <i>God, <\/i>there was <i>The One. So <\/i>I took my pen and made the correction.<br \/>\n<P>But my first translation was <i>The All-Containing One, <\/i>because it was an experience, not a thought. What I saw was <i>The One containing all. <\/i>And innocently, I wrote it down on a paper <i>(Mother shows a little scrap of paper): The All-Containing One. <\/i>But just then, I saw what looked like someone giving me a slap and telling me, &#8220;Not that: you should put <i>The One, <\/i>that&#8217;s all.&#8221; So I wrote <i>The One.<\/i><br \/>\n<P>That&#8217;s how it works!<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s really thought seen from above, from a height, and it&#8217;s very amusing. Very amusing, it all plays, it&#8217;s like little will-o&#8217;-the-wisps coming out from here and there, doing a dance, arranging themselves &#8211; very amusing.<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s beginning to be amusing. It has been very strong lately &#8211; it&#8217;s been coming at night, in daytime, all the time.<br \/>\n<P>But the night before, I was with Sri Aurobindo, who gave me a revelation. I was with him, he was <i>reclining <\/i>(not stretched out but on a sort of chaise longue) and I was supposed to bring him something to eat (not at all like physical food, it&#8217;s something else &#8230; I don&#8217;t know what it is &#8230; it&#8217;s rather different in that world &#8211; the subtle physical), and it was expressed to me &#8230; (there were no words in my consciousness; I don&#8217;t know why, no words), he told me something which I understood perfectly, not only understood but it made me very happy, a joy came into me, and I answered, &#8220;Yes, exactly! It corresponds to the experience I had today and which is &#8230;???&#8221; <i>(Mother leaves her sentence hanging) <\/i>You see, I was conscious while I was having all the activity, but it was expressed in words [there] that aren&#8217;t words [here], so I don&#8217;t know what to do! And he told me in the tone you take when expressing a definitive and overwhelming experience (his tone was one of absolute power) something that was translated like this: <i>Now, the nourishment <\/i>(it wasn&#8217;t <i>nourishment <\/i>but <i>food) comes from the whole of Nature at once. (Mother utters those words like a riddle or an open sesame that has not yet opened the door) <\/i>And he told me to bring it to him (that too was a translation): <i>Yes, you will bring it <\/i>(the <i>it <\/i>was that <i>food coming from the whole Nature at once<\/i> &#8211; it&#8217;s a seemingly silly transcription, but anyway &#8230;), you <i>will bring it in this translucent bowl. <\/i>And I replied, <i>Yes, I knew, I knew that I had to use this translucent bowl to bring you the food&#8230;. <\/i>But what on earth does that correspond to??&#8230; Yet it was so evident! There was such a joy! (Because as I was conscious, I thought, &#8220;Well, all the same, I am still following him closely in his development, it&#8217;s going on as when he was here: when he wins a victory, it is materialized in me.&#8221;) Thus I was perfectly conscious and I told him, <i>Ah, I am glad!&#8230; <\/i>(I am faltering, of course, it wasn&#8217;t that at all &#8211; it was admirable.) <i>Oh, I am glad, I knew that I had to bring you the food in this translucent bowl&#8230;. <\/i>And the <i>translucent bowl <\/i>was a marvel! I had it, you see, it was beautiful! It was like opaline, living glass, all luminous but with all the lights alive and moving, and what colors! &#8230; Pink, mauve, silver and gold, oh, it was so very beautiful. And I brought it to him.<br \/>\n<P>It impressed me very strongly. Very strongly: I was <i>under a spell, <\/i>probably because the experience was still too strong and powerful for the material brain. And I saw it immediately; at the very moment of the experience, I saw it was a transcription, and an extraordinarily poor transcription, but nothing better could be done.<br \/>\n<P>And such details!&#8230; There was a whole story (which lasted even more than an hour and a half) &#8230; with all the details. Because where I was with him was an upper floor and when I came down I met people, did some things and so on. It was the upper floor. And it all went on in a dazzling light, dazzling, dazzling; everything was as though in a blazing sun &#8230; much brighter than the sun &#8211; the sun is dark in such a case.<br \/>\n<P>And when I came downstairs (it wasn&#8217;t like here: everyone had his own house and garden, it was a huge estate), I went straight to my bathroom. I open the door &#8230; and whom do I find there but someone (I recognized him, but I won&#8217;t name him) who was using it &#8211; &#8220;Well,&#8221; I thought, &#8220;that&#8217;s a fine thing!&#8221; And I closed the door again. All kinds of details, it lasted more than an hour. And you know, the number of things that can happen in an hour and a half at night&#8230;.<br \/>\n<P>Once again I was tall &#8211; I am always tall. But I hadn&#8217;t dressed as I do<br \/>\nusually: I wore a short dress. There were lots of people there; I recognized<br \/>\neveryone, I could hear everyone&#8217;s voice, it was very, very distinct. And there<br \/>\nwere two girls (not girls, they&#8217;re women<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 323<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>&nbsp;now, but to me they were like girls), two girls talking to each other<br \/>\nand saying, &quot;How strong her legs are!&quot; (It&#8217;s symbolic.) And at the same time, I<br \/>\nsaw my legs as if there were a mirror to show them to me! I had a short dress<br \/>\nand I saw my legs and my two feet with shoes on &#8211; my feet had shoes on. And a<br \/>\nshort dress. Very active.<br \/>\n<P>Voil\u00e0.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>Last night was less pleasant&#8230;. There were again those things collapsing. I was below, you see, trying to go back up to my room, and every time I tried to go back up, all the means to do so disappeared or were done away with. Now I&#8217;ve chased it all away because it was tiring. But one thing I do remember: I was climbing up a sort of &#8230; not stairs or a ladder, it was a very queer thing, like blocks of dark red stone, and they were all crumbling &#8211; and coming apart. It ended up annoying me, and I had a movement not of anger, but of self-assertive will &#8211; and everything vanished&#8230;. You feel it&#8217;s adverse formations trying to harass you, until I can&#8217;t say I lose patience, but something gets angry (is it &#8220;angry&#8221;? Asserts itself, rather: &#8220;Ah, no! Enough!&#8221;) and instantly, pfft! it all goes away. But then I found myself on a road I knew very well, but there was such a crowd! A crowd, a crowd: all the schools of the world were coming there for their holidays. There were troops of kids led by matrons and teachers, myriads and myriads of them! &#8230; And also children who stopped and played on the ground; but all those children knew me very well, and when I arrived, they would take their things out of the way to let me through &#8211; weeny little kids this high. Then I met a symbolic person (not a human person) whom I know very well, she was pale blue (that is to say, a being of the higher mind, a force of Nature in the higher mind), I know her very well, she is very often with me. She explained to me her difficulties and I explained to her what she should do; I told her, &#8220;I&#8217;ve already told you several times, it&#8217;s like this and like that&#8230;.&#8221; She stayed beside me a very long time, and she asked me, &#8220;Why do I always have to leave you?&#8221; I answered her, &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry; everything is fine now.&#8221; It went on for a long time. But it was interesting, a very pleasant, very refined contact: a beautiful girl &#8211; that is, a beautiful thought or a beautiful idea. A beautiful girl. And she had in her charge an innumerable amount of kids <i>(Mother laughs)<\/i>, so she was somewhat worried at times, and I explained to her what she should do.<br \/>\n<P>I feel a sort of tenderness towards that person.<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 324<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>And all those children! Even the tiny little ones who could hardly walk, when they saw me arrive they would push their toys aside and make way for me.<br \/>\n<P>It wasn&#8217;t on the ground, it wasn&#8217;t in the physical world.<br \/>\n<P>But a swarm, you know! &#8230; It&#8217;s certainly some mental world or other.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>But that experience [of the crumbling stairs], I know what it corresponds to, because I know the experience I had when I went to sleep: it&#8217;s always when I am confronted with the Problem&#8230;. I could put it this way (but that diminishes it a lot), &#8220;Why is the world the way it is?&#8221; Then there comes to me that sort of &#8230; it&#8217;s an INTENSE state of compassion &#8211; intense, almost painful &#8211; for the condition of the world and humanity. When that comes, I have those difficulties at night. And then I ask, I want to know the REAL secret &#8211; not all the things people have told (which all seem to me just like a story to &#8230; to comfort children), but the REAL thing. When I go into deep rest with that tension, it&#8217;s always translated by those things collapsing: I try to climb and crunch! crunch! crunch! all the time, all the time everything crumbles under the weight of my ascent. Until I see that ill will trying to stop me from finding what I want to find, so I get angry and it stops instantly &#8211; is &#8220;angry&#8221; the word? I don&#8217;t know: I refuse, I refuse the situation. Then it stops short.<br \/>\n<P>And I awake saying to myself, &#8220;You see, it&#8217;s all your fault: as long as you accept, you cannot know, you are in the dark; when you really refuse, you will know.&#8221;<br \/>\n<P>So I answer, &#8220;When the Lord wants me to know, I will know; when it&#8217;s necessary for me to know, I will know.&#8221;<br \/>\n<P>Probably for the time being &#8230;<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s like Sri Aurobindo&#8217;s &#8220;translucent bowl&#8221;&#8230;. There&#8217;s nothing that corresponds to it.<br \/>\n<P>To tell the truth, we always want to go too fast. But that&#8217;s because the notion of time is in everyone&#8217;s mind &#8211; they&#8217;re wearisome.<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\">***<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><i>(Before Satprem leaves, Mother gives him the latest issue of &#8220;World-Union,&#8221; a magazine launched by some Ashram disciples.) <\/i><br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 325<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>It makes me uneasy.<br \/>\n<P>I know what you mean! It even makes some people here furious. Because it&#8217;s published from here (most of those people are here), but there&#8217;s never any mention of the Ashram, any mention of Sri Aurobindo, nothing.<\/p>\n<p><i>What&#8217;s worse is that when they do speak of Sri Aurobindo, they put him on a level with everybody else.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Exactly! Exactly!<\/p>\n<p><i>You know, Sri Aurobindo, Teilhard de Chardin, Schweitzer and so on and so forth.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes, a mishmash.<br \/>\n<P>As for me, I would have rejected it <i>[World-Union] <\/i>altogether, but there are in it those who started the whole affair: there are three persons through whom I do something &#8211; not this! <i>(the issue of &#8220;World-Union&#8221;) <\/i>Something else, of which they themselves are very little aware. (They are very interested in this <i>[the &#8220;World-Union&#8221; brochure!, <\/i>not me!) So I didn&#8217;t quite declare, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to have anything to do with that,&#8221; but when people ask me, I say it has nothing to do with the Ashram, absolutely nothing.<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 326<\/font><\/p>\n<p><\/b><\/p>\n<p align=\"right\" style=\"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom: 0\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>September 25, 1963 (Mother first reads her notation of a recent experience) It came in English. 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