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I have something about this Tamil Swami who had that exper<\/i><\/p>\n
ience of the body’s transformation…. You remember this Swami<\/i><\/p>\n
Ramalingam who had that vision of the "Grace-Light"? You<\/i><\/p>\n
made a few remarks, part of which I passed on to the person who<\/i><\/p>\n
had asked the question…. And I’ve raised a storm.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n
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Not with this good man [Ramalingam’s Tamil disciple], not at<\/i><\/p>\n
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A.?
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You know …it somewhat gives me a feeling of a mental falsehood.<\/i><\/p>\n
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\n Page 268<\/font><\/p>\n At what?! What did I say? <\/p>\n At what I, at least, said. He says, "Mother can’t possibly this…."<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n What’s this business!… But why? What made this gentleman indignant? <\/p>\n First I’ll read you what I wrote to T. [Ramalingam’s Tamil<\/i><\/p>\n disciple]: [[Satprem’s letter to T. and the following letter from A. are retranslated here from the French translation. ]] <\/i>\n <\/p>\n<\/p>\n <\/p>\n "The translation of Swami Ramalingam’s experiences was<\/i><\/p>\n read out to Mother, and she does not doubt their authentic<\/i><\/p>\n ity; she particularly liked the manner in which the Swami<\/i><\/p>\n called that light ‘Grace-Light,’ and she said it corresponds<\/i><\/p>\n to her own experience. She remarked that over the ages, and<\/i><\/p>\n even now, it is quite likely that a number of individuals,<\/i><\/p>\n known or unknown, have had similar experiences. The only<\/i><\/p>\n difference is that at present, instead of an individual possi<\/i><\/p>\n bility, there is a collective possibility – that is precisely Sri<\/i><\/p>\n Aurobindo’s and Mothers work: to establish, as a terrestrial<\/i><\/p>\n fact and a possibility for everyone, the supramental con<\/i><\/p>\n sciousness or ‘Grace-Light’ as Swami Ramalingam called it."<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n Satprem<\/i> Ah, what made him indignant is the mixing of the two, "Grace-Light" and "supramental light"…. I didn’t say it was the same thing. Anyway, it doesn’t matter…. It would have been better not to put "supramental consciousness," because they don’t understand…. It doesn’t matter. <\/p>\n But from what you said, I understood that this "Grace-Light"<\/i><\/p>\n was the supramental light.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n It’s ONE of the actions of the supramental light. But it doesn’t matter. <\/p>\n So A. says this:<\/i><\/p>\n Page 269<\/font><\/p>\n <\/p>\n "Dearest Mother, regarding certain translations of poems of<\/i><\/p>\n Swami Ramalingam by his disciple T., you answered him<\/i><\/p>\n through Satprem in such a way that he was led to equate<\/i><\/p>\n Ramalingam’s ‘Grace-Light’ and the supramental Con<\/i><\/p>\n sciousness. …<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n Yes, I wouldn’t have done that…. So he’s furious! <\/p>\n But you see, to my mind, when I asked you if over the ages there<\/i><\/p>\n had been experiences of this sort, I had in mind experiences of<\/i><\/p>\n individuals who had individually made contact with the supra-<\/i><\/p>\n mental light or the supramental level….<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n One of the forms of the supramental manifestation…. It doesn’t matter. Read on. <\/p>\n "Did you really mean that Ramalingam was in DIRECT<\/i><\/p>\n contact with the Supramental?…<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n Why not!… Read on, then. <\/p>\n "… and that he was in contact with it as you and Sri Auro<\/i><\/p>\n bindo were?…<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n No, I didn’t say that! <\/p>\n You didn’t! It’s really a mental falsehood, because nowhere in letter did I say such things.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n <\/p>\n "Premonitions and momentary visions are of a different<\/i><\/p>\n order; it is the whole question of a direct supramental complete and in its fullness….<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n Good Lord, how stupid people are! How stupid! <\/p>\n Yes, Mother. <\/i><\/p>\n Is that all? <\/p>\n No.<\/i><\/p>\n Page 270<\/font><\/p>\n <\/p>\n "Through your answer, T. [Ramalingam’s disciple] understood<\/i><\/p>\n that the only difference between Ramalingam’s supramental<\/i><\/p>\n yoga and yours or Sri Aurobindo’s is that his was concerned<\/i><\/p>\n with an individual supramentalization, whereas you and Sri <\/i>\n <\/p>\n Aurobindo also worked for a collective supramentalization.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n <\/p>\n "T. is convinced of this and also declares that Ramalingam<\/i><\/p>\n had attained the complete supramentalization of the body….<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n We didn’t say that! <\/p>\n "… In his opinion, what you said confirms it. <\/i><\/p>\n "I tend to regard his whole stand as rather fantastic; it shows<\/i><\/p>\n me that T. has failed to understand Sri Aurobindo’s vision, <\/i>\n <\/p>\n work and yoga at their true value. I believe that not only the<\/i><\/p>\n collective supramentalization , but the individual supramen<\/i><\/p>\n talization have never been attempted previously, not to<\/i><\/p>\n speak of realization. Even the full knowledge of the Supra<\/i><\/p>\n mental through an ascent into the Supramental and a<\/i><\/p>\n sovereign entry into the Supramental has not been done.<\/i><\/p>\n How then can one speak of a practical realisation of the full<\/i><\/p>\n dynamics of the supramental descent?<\/i><\/p>\n "At least that is what I understood from a study of Sri<\/i><\/p>\n Aurobindo’s and your writings. Am I wrong? A clear indi<\/i><\/p>\n cation from you would be very helpful to make us see things<\/i><\/p>\n in the true light."<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n (after a long concentration, then plunges back for a long time)<\/i> There’s a refusal to answer. (long silence)<\/i> Was this man alive recently? <\/p>\n No, around 1850. He died two years after Sri Aurobindo’s birth,<\/i><\/p>\n and he announced the coming of an incarnation of the Divine<\/i><\/p>\n and a new race that would "defy death, ageing" and so on – one<\/i><\/p>\n year before Sri Aurobindo’s birth.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n (after a long silence,<\/i> Mother takes hesitates, then writes a letter to <\/p>\n Page 271<\/font><\/p>\n <\/p>\n \n 22 July ’70<\/i> <\/i>A.,<\/p>\n <\/p>\n<\/p>\n It is unfortunate that you make me say what I did not say. I have therefore nothing to say in answer to your groundless Let us hope that peace will return to your mind, and, along with it, With my blessings, Signed:<\/i> Mother It’s hard. <\/p>\n When I got his letter, I had the inner feeling of a mental falsehood.<\/i><\/p>\n Yes, there’s an excitement. <\/p>\n But what I can do is to correct what you said with Ramalingam disciple.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n No, it’s not "the Supramental," but one aspect of the Supra-mental, or rather one activity of the Supramental. <\/p>\n Would you like me to send him this correction? <\/i><\/p>\n If he chatters about what he’s told, yes. (Mother looks at her letter to A.,<\/i> hesitating Oh, let’s leave it – he’ll be upset. (silence<\/i> Mother looks tired) <\/i> <\/p>\n I’m really sorry!<\/i><\/p>\n No! (Mother laughs)<\/i> It doesn’t matter! It’s not your fault, it’s A.’s fault. <\/p>\n I don’t know why they come to a boil.<\/i><\/p>\n Oh, I can see…. All that takes place here (gesture to the forehead).<\/i> Page 272<\/font><\/p>\n <\/p>\n Really, the mind is something terribly complicated!<\/i><\/p>\n Oh, it’s like that, it’s here (same gesture to the forehead).<\/i> And when I look, I see so clearly!… Human conceptions … it has always been the same thing with all, all the Avatars: if he isn’t one and only – one and only – and shut in like this (gesture as if under a bell jar), <\/i>it’s no longer the thing! It disturbs them…. <\/p>\n Yes, that’s right!<\/i><\/p>\n That’s it, they don’t see the Force doing … (immense gesture embracing everything).<\/i> But I see so clearly!… This personalization … You understand, a great Force descends to work, then it "coagulates," so to speak, into a personal point so as to touch Matter. And then, men (laughing)<\/i> like to take scissors, and they cut (Mother cuts out a little square from this vast flow of Force),<\/i> make a person out of it, and isolate it (gesture as if under a bell jar).<\/i> That’s something I see so clearly! <\/p>\n Yes, it’s the door to sectarianism and fanaticism.<\/i><\/p>\n Yes, yes, yes. (Mother holds out to Satprem<\/i> a garland of "Aspiration")<\/i> Would you like? <\/p>\n Yes, Mother, yes!<\/i><\/p>\n (Satprem lays his head on Mother’s knees)<\/i> I absolutely REFUSE to let myself be put like this (gesture under a bell jar)….<\/i> I’d rather – I’d rather dissolve, you understand. Let it be fluid. The impression I get is as if people have big scissors, and they always want to cut out pieces of the Lord! 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