{"id":6776,"date":"2013-07-13T02:09:35","date_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:09:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/localhost\/?p=6776"},"modified":"2013-07-13T02:09:35","modified_gmt":"2013-07-13T02:09:35","slug":"59-august-23-1969-vol-10-volume-10","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/worksofthemotherandsriaurobindo.org\/index.php\/02-works-of-the-mother\/03-agenda\/10-volume-10\/59-august-23-1969-vol-10-volume-10","title":{"rendered":"-59_August 23_1969.htm"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><H3>August 23, 1969<\/H3><br \/>\n<P>Yesterday I saw Y. She told me what she wanted to do: her new method of education &#8230;. It was rather amusing! &#8230; It seems there is in a box the miniature reproduction of as many things of the earth as can be represented: humans, animals, objects, houses, and so on. All that is mixed together in a big box, on a sort of table, and the big and small children are put there, all of them together, and given a fixed time (I think): they have to make something out of the objects on the table &#8211; absolutely free, they do what they like. And it seems that according to what they do, the way they use the objects and assemble them, you can tell their character &#8230; As an illustration, she told me they put someone there (she didn&#8217;t tell me who), apparently a sage, a sage who knows about the existence of yoga, and the result of his work was this: a Red Indian taking aim to shoot another, the second Red Indian taking aim to shoot another, and the third Red Indian taking aim to shoot another-four like that, in a row. Then the last Red Indian, the fourth, taking aim to kill a lion, and the lion rushing at a deer to kill it &#8230;. There&#8217;s his tableau! And he told them that was an image of life &#8230;.<br \/>\n<P>According to that, they are sure of knowing his character! (Mother laughs mockingly) I found it prodigiously amusing!<br \/>\n<P>The sage must have played a good joke on them (!), he must have pulled their leg and they didn&#8217;t realize it, they took it seriously &#8230; They seem to have asked him what it was, and he said, &quot;This is life &#8230;.&quot; We see it this way, but it&#8217;s the other way round: it really begins with the lion running after the deer, then the Red Indian coming to stop the lion and shooting at it, then &#8230; I found it very amusing!<br \/>\n<P>She is convinced that it&#8217;s the way to discover someone&#8217;s character.<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>But all that seems to me very superficial.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Absolutely!<br \/>\n<P>Absolutely. But naturally, all they do is superficial. They don&#8217;t even know the existence of a depth. Or if they are told about it, they deny it.<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>No, but those who organize that and are supposed to know the<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;existence<br \/>\n  of a depth, do they believe that through such a game <\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>they can reach a depth? <\/i><\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 301<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>I don&#8217;t think they believe so. I think they consider they have reached the height of mental development.<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s for the education of children, taken very small. They are left free in a place, they do what they like-absolutely free, with all they need at their disposal. So those who spend their time fighting are said to have a fighting character! (Mother laughs) Some remain all alone, others come together &#8211; from all that their characters are determined. So she wants to do that in Auroville. I told her, &quot;How are they prevented from injuring themselves or having serious accidents?&quot; She said they should be put in a place where they can fall without hurting themselves &#8211; I found it a bit flimsy! But anyway, there&#8217;s the idea. She wants to have that garden by the sea. I asked her (laughing), &quot;How will you prevent them from getting drowned?!&quot; She replied, &quot;Oh, we&#8217;ll put a barrier in the sea to stop them from going too far.&quot; (She&#8217;s already chosen the spot, near F&#8217;s hut, they even want to appropriate one of the places F has bought: they&#8217;ll put the children there.) I said, &quot;There are sharks in the sea.&quot; So they&#8217;re counting on their barrier to stop the sharks &#8211; it will have to be strong! &#8230; These people seem to me to be living in their imagination.<br \/>\n<P>And they&#8217;re so convinced that they know that you have nothing to tell them. Now and then I tell a joke just to see &#8211; oh, brrr! &#8230;<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>What strikes me in it all is that I find it very old.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P align=\"right\"><i>(Mother laughs)<\/i><br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>There&#8217;s no lever of the future in there.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>No, nothing. Nothing.<br \/>\n<P>And to crown it all, who&#8217;s going to live there and watch over the children but A. &#8211; A.!! A. is the one who has learned in Switzerland this new method to describe people&#8217;s characters, it&#8217;s he who brought it back, and it interests him &#8230; furiously I just said to Y., &quot;I hope there won&#8217;t be any accidents.&quot; Then she told me, &quot;Oh, later, when we have enough money, we&#8217;ll make a garden in Auromod&egrave;le, and then we&#8217;ll do it with all the necessary precautions.&quot; I thought they should rather wait &#8230;. But to get money, they have to do something (that&#8217;s how it is: you must start doing something, and afterwards you&#8217;re given the money to do it) &#8230;. Me, of course, I don&#8217;t say anything (Mother crosses her fingers on her lips). I&#8217;ve named her &quot;responsible for the direction of education in Auroville&quot; (Mother laughs heartily). She told me, by the way, that she wants to have a bank account<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 302<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>&nbsp;in the name of &quot;Auroeducation&quot; &#8211; do you know why? Because those young Americans who came here on a visit (did you hear about them?), a dozen or so &#8230; I saw them all: quite ordinary people. They asked me, &quot;What&#8217;s responsibility?!&quot; &#8230; Things of that sort.<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Yes, you told me about them.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Well, those young people all went to see Y, and she showed them what she wanted to do &#8211; Y. says they were so ENTHUSIASTIC and said, &quot;At last we&#8217;ve found what we were looking for!&quot; Then one of them (they&#8217;re twenty- or twenty-two-year-old girls) told her, &quot;Give me the number of your bank account so I can send you my contribution.&quot; Y had never dared to hope for such a thing, she told me, &quot;Imagine, they&#8217;re going to send me money! &#8230;&quot; &quot;Oh, very good,&quot; I said.<br \/>\n<P>They all seem to me like children.<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Yes.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Anyway, we&#8217;ll see!<br \/>\n<P>I don&#8217;t want to intervene, I want to see. Now and then, I send a collective note, like that &#8230;. But I don&#8217;t intervene.<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Yes, what I look on with curiosity is YOUR way of acting with Auroville.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>MY way?<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Or of not acting, I don&#8217;t know!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Does it surprise you?<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>No, no, but I try to understand!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Aaah! You don&#8217;t understand? &#8230;<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Maybe you want to lead them to the end of their foolishness<br \/>\n  &#8230; or maybe their foolishness<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;is at the necessary present<br \/>\n  level?!<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P>But mon petit, their foolishness is the height of intelligence in the world! &#8230; Don&#8217;t you know what the world is like, have you forgotten?!<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 303<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P><\/p>\n<p><i>Now and then, I see.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>(Mother laughs) From time to time I have news through Z, he tells me the outer conditions &#8211; frightful! &#8230; Take UNESCO-UNESCO is a leading association, you know, and they haven&#8217;t gone beyond &quot;tolerance&quot;!<br \/>\n<P>Have you forgotten how things are?<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Not quite!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>(Mother laughs) Not quite &#8230;<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Now and then I do see some reactions. I realize people don&#8217;t<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;understand<br \/>\n  &#8230;. Several times I tried to say certain things as I feel<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>or see them, and I saw I had caused a dreadful scandal &#8230;.<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P align=\"right\"><i>(Mother laughs heartily)<\/i><br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>As if it were an attack on their life!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes, oh! &#8230; And you know, if you ask Y (it&#8217;s truthful people who told me), if you ask her, she says, &quot;The Bulletin belongs to the past,&quot; &quot;Sri Aurobindo&#8217;s teaching belongs to the past.&quot; While they&#8217;re in advance. And they&#8217;re so convinced of it! &#8230; She&#8217;s chosen M. as the god of her new creation, so you understand &#8230;<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>What I do now is to &#8230; (Mother crosses her fingers on her lips) &#8230; because this Force, this Consciousness is there (gesture of pressure), and it&#8217;s working, I see it work, and it uses all that wonderfully, so as to &#8230; put people (gesture against the nose) in front of themselves.<P>&nbsp;There&#8217;s a place (&quot;Promesse&quot; and &quot;Auro-orchard,&quot; all that area which is concerned with agriculture), with French people, Swiss people, Italians (even Indians!), and they&#8217;re all busy quarreling &#8230; all the time. From every side they complain to me, asking for my support. So it&#8217;s prodigiously instructive. As for me, I stay like this (Mother crosses her fingers on her lips), and now and then I let a drop fall. The Xs, for instance, would regularly, once or twice a week, send me a complaint against the people living there (now some, now others, all of them in succession). The first time, I didn&#8217;t say anything, but after a while (laughing), I simply said (I don&#8217;t<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 304<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>&nbsp;remember the exact words, only the meaning) that the true consciousness needed to live in Auroville is to look at one&#8217;s own faults first, before complaining about others&#8217; faults, and to mend one&#8217;s ways before demanding others should mend theirs (I put it in a more &#8230; literary manner). And I sent it. Since then, silence, complete silence: I no longer exist &#8211; I don&#8217;t go and give support to all their little quarrels, so I no longer exist.<br \/>\n<P>But that&#8217;s a way of kneading the dough &#8230;. They will have either to change or to go &#8211; without telling them anything, without having to tell them anything, with the pressure of the Consciousness alone. Either they will have to change, or they will be compelled to go.<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s not a method particular to this person (Mother points to herself): it&#8217;s the method of this Consciousness.<br \/>\n<P>I very clearly see the way in which it works: it puts a pressure for all that resists in someone&#8217;s nature to come to the surface and manifest, and so the ridiculous or wrong side of the thing becomes conspicuous, and it has either to go or to &#8230; I&#8217;ve noticed that. It&#8217;s its way of working.<br \/>\n<P>But in fact, with this pressure, you realize that people are always ten times more stupid than you thought &#8211; they themselves know nothing about it (but that&#8217;s the habit: one is generally very unconscious of one&#8217;s own stupidity), but even when you thought you were conscious of what they&#8217;re like, you weren&#8217;t even remotely aware of what they&#8217;re like!<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>I didn&#8217;t say anything to Y, except one thing: &quot;I hope no children will get drowned.&quot; That&#8217;s all. Nothing else. Then what a face she made &#8230;. I think the thought had never occurred to her, she&#8217;d never thought of that possibility!<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(long silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>You know that the [presidential] elections have taken place, and that there were three candidates. Among the three, one [[C. D. Deshmukh. ]]  had seemed to me the most apt to give India her true place among the nations of the earth &#8211; I was immediately told that it was phantasmagoric and quite impossible. I didn&#8217;t insist. They told me, &quot;Here are the three candidates&quot; (I told you last time), so I had only one solution, only one way, that was to concentrate &#8211; concentrate with an aspiration &#8211; and ask for the best to happen for the country. That&#8217;s the message I sent to Delhi; I said to them, &quot;I have received the assurance<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 305<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>that what would happen would be the best for the country&quot; (in the present conditions).<br \/>\n<P>Thus there was one man of worth &#8211; and no chance; another man, very old, [[V. V. Giri. ]]  and a third man, [[Sanjiva Reddy. ]]  upright and capable, with some qualities, but a little behind the times, that is to say, clinging to the past, and quite appalled by the decisions Indira had made. [[The nationalization of banks. ]]  So officially, he was against her way of governing &#8230;. That man sent me his photos, asking for my blessings; I wrote, &quot;Blessings&quot; on one of the photos, [[That is the photo which Sanjiva Reddy will only receive eight years later, precisely when he was elected president in later elections. ]]  gave it to L. and told him (you know that he left for Delhi), &quot;While you are there, if you see the possibility, meet that man and give him the photo, saying, &#8216;Here, Mother sends you her blessings, but she warns you that she stands behind Indira&#8217;s way of acting &#8230;.&quot;&#8217; I don&#8217;t know what happened, but on the day of the election I was like that, with No active thought, simply, &quot;The best for the country, the best for the country&quot; &#8211; and it&#8217;s the old one who made it! &#8230; [[V.V. Giri, aged 75. ]]  Not only did he make it, he also sent me a telegram to thank me! So you understand, it precisely shows where things stand. That&#8217;s how it is &#8230;.<br \/>\n<P>Actively, outwardly, I would never have been able to say, &quot;Choose this man.&quot; I only said, &quot;The best for the country.&quot; I don&#8217;t know why or how, because &#8230; because, mon petit, our human consciousness is SO SMALL! Even when we identify with the general Consciousness, we feel so small, so microscopic in comparison with the true, all-containing Consciousness. We can&#8217;t contain all! Even, even when we identify with this Consciousness, we become like this (gesture showing emptiness at the forehead level), absolutely silent and still, with only a luminous Vibration, IMMENSE, you know, infinite, and an infinite power, too, but &#8230; (same gesture to the forehead) no translation of any sort, nothing like a thought. So then, if we want to intervene between That and circumstances, we are OBLIGED to make mistakes, we can&#8217;t do otherwise! So the only way is to stay like this (still gesture, turned upward). That&#8217;s why I am like this, silent. You told me, I don&#8217;t understand your way of acting in Auroville &#8230;&quot;: it&#8217;s nothing but that. It&#8217;s because our thought limits, opposes &#8211; even, even the vastest consciousness, you understand, is only a TERRESTRIAL consciousness, a terrestrial consciousness, and &#8230; it&#8217;s very small. Very small.<br \/>\nAnd very small especially from the<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 306<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P>&nbsp;point of view of consequences, of the sequence of circumstances (Mother<br \/>\ndraws a curve), of how this will bring about that-we don&#8217;t see. So one must be<br \/>\nlike this (gesture turned upward), and simply let this Consciousness act &#8230;.<br \/>\nAnd there was the result: it is the third man who made it. I found it quite<br \/>\namusing. Quite amusing. I thought, &quot;There you are!&quot;<br \/>\n<P>In my vision (I can&#8217;t swear it&#8217;s supramental, but at any rate it was much above a mental vision), I chose one man [Deshmukh], and everyone giggled, telling me it was an impossibility &#8211; it was the one thing that could make India immediately great. Immediately it gave India a place in the world, which was her true place. Everyone found it profoundly ridiculous. So then, I was asked to choose from among three candidates, and the most obviously incapable of the three was chosen as &#8230; as the man who would help the most in India&#8217;s development and blossoming. There.<br \/>\n<P>After that, you only have to keep quiet.<br \/>\n<P>You know, this telegram &#8230; (Mother looks for it and hands it to Satprem).<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>&quot;Deep gratitude for blessing. I am always<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;at<br \/>\n  thy service.&quot;<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P align=\"right\"><i>V. V. Giri<\/i><br \/>\n<P>He was elected, and this telegram was sent immediately: the time coincides &#8230;. Don&#8217;t you find it interesting?<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Yes, very.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s after noting a considerable number of such facts that I began being like this: simply bringing, almost by force (Mother brings down her two arms with force), the Supreme Consciousness in contact with the earth. That&#8217;s all.<br \/>\n<P align=\"right\"><i>(silence)<\/i><br \/>\n<P>F. told me there was a piece of land by the sea where you&#8217;d like to have a hut?<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>Oh, you know, it&#8217;s just a manner of speaking!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Never mind! As soon as she told me, I answered her, &quot;Well, we&#8217;ll find a way.&quot; We&#8217;ll try to get the land. Luckily it&#8217;s not too near their future kindergarten!<br \/>\n<P align=\"center\"><font size=\"2\">Page 307<\/font><\/p>\n<hr>\n<p><P><\/p>\n<p><i>There&#8217;s a small bit of dune or hillock there, which is very lovely.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Ah!<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>So we happened to sit there, and I said, &quot;Oh, it would be nice<br \/>\n  to<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>&nbsp;have a hut here &#8230; &#8230;<\/i><\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><P>But it&#8217;s not yet ours.<br \/>\n<P><\/p>\n<p><i>But Mother, I have no idea or even desire &#8230;<\/i><\/p>\n<p><P>Yes, oh, I know very well, it&#8217;s simply as you say: one feels a current passing by and says, &quot;Oh, it would be nice &#8230;&quot; &#8211; Why not! (Mother laughs) We constantly have- to do something &#8211; as long as we are here, we have to do something &#8211; so better do the things that put you in contact with the most harmonious current!<br \/>\n<P>But I must say that from the standpoint of action (not even merely material action, because I have almost no material action left, so to say), but of invisible action, with this Consciousness I have learned a LOT, quite a lot. It has &#8230; our means are very childish, and, you know, it has such a wonderful sense of humor, a way of making people face their stupidity, which is really &#8230; really charming. And I see it constantly, all the time, for very small things, for big things, for a country&#8217;s politics or the organization of a house &#8211; all the same thing. And with a delightful irony &#8211; and so benevolent: no sense of reprobation, no &#8230; The idea of evil and sin and all that &#8211; prrrt! all gone.<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s only the pressure of the Consciousness on the inconscient and then, in people, the measure of the resistance or of the receptivity. it&#8217;s like that. In some people (and not always the apparently bad ones), there&#8217;s such resistance! &#8230; It&#8217;s like &#8230; like iron. While others &#8230;<br \/>\n<P>It&#8217;s going much faster. Things are moving fast just now.<br \/>\n<P>We&#8217;ll see, we&#8217;re going to see! &#8230; (Mother laughs)<P align=\"center\"><br \/>\n<font size=\"2\">Page 308<\/font><P align=\"center\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom: 0\" align=\"right\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>August 23, 1969 Yesterday I saw Y. She told me what she wanted to do: her new method of education &#8230;. 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